Calculating Induced EMF for a Changing Magnetic Field Loop

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The discussion revolves around calculating the induced electromotive force (emf) in a rectangular wire loop situated in a uniform magnetic field, where the dimensions of the loop are changing over time. The problem involves understanding the relationship between the area of the loop and the magnetic field, as well as applying Faraday's law of electromagnetic induction.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the application of the formula for induced emf and the calculation of area as a function of time. There are attempts to differentiate the area with respect to time and questions regarding the assumptions made about the area being constant.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on how to approach the differentiation of the area function, while others express confusion about the calculations and the nature of the area change. There is an ongoing exploration of the correct interpretation of the problem and the associated rates of change.

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Participants note that the original poster has not engaged in the thread for an extended period, which may limit further clarification on their approach. The problem involves specific rates of change for the loop's dimensions that are critical to the calculations.

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1. A rectangular wire loop (length 60 cm, width 40 cm) lies completely within a
perpendicular and uniform magnetic field of magnitude of 0.5 T. If the length of the loop
starts increasing at a rate of 20 mm/s at time t = 0, while the width is decreasing at the
same rate, what is the magnitude of the induced emf at time t = 4.0 s?

Multiple Choice
a) 6.8
b) 5.2
c) 3.6
d) 8.4
e) 10mv

Answer: C




2. \varepsilon = -N \Delta \Phi /\Delta t and \Phi = B*A



3. I took the simple approach using the given time I took 20mm/s * 4.0 s =.08m which I then add to the length and subtract from the width. A(f)=.218, A(i)=.24, t(f)=4 (i)=0 take the \Delta A/\Delta t and multiply by B=.5 and get an answer of 2.8mV

I have some other ideas I tried but all of them also failed to produce the correct answer. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks guys (I apologize if I messed up something it's my first time!)
 
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nickmanc86 said:
1. A rectangular wire loop (length 60 cm, width 40 cm) lies completely within a
perpendicular and uniform magnetic field of magnitude of 0.5 T. If the length of the loop
starts increasing at a rate of 20 mm/s at time t = 0, while the width is decreasing at the
same rate, what is the magnitude of the induced emf at time t = 4.0 s?

Multiple Choice
a) 6.8
b) 5.2
c) 3.6
d) 8.4
e) 10mv

Answer: C




2. \varepsilon = -N \Delta \Phi /\Delta t and \Phi = B*A



3. I took the simple approach using the given time I took 20mm/s * 4.0 s =.08m which I then add to the length and subtract from the width. A(f)=.218, A(i)=.24, t(f)=4 (i)=0 take the \Delta A/\Delta t and multiply by B=.5 and get an answer of 2.8mV

I have some other ideas I tried but all of them also failed to produce the correct answer. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks guys (I apologize if I messed up something it's my first time!)

I don't think you can simplify it like that. Just write out the equation for the area A(t), then differentiate it for A'(t). Use that in the equations you show to find the induced EMF at t=4s.
 


Thank you so much that totally led me in the correct direction. I took A'(t)=L'*W+W'*L which I substituted in the equation for Induced EMF then plugged in a time of 4 and came to the correct answer of 3.6mV.
 


Good job! :smile:

Welcome to the PF, BTW.
 


Also, click "Quote" on your original post to see how I fixed the formating of your Latex...
 


Cool, Thank You
 
?

How did you get A'(t) ? Isn't the derivative of a constant zero ?
 
iriver4 said:
How did you get A'(t) ? Isn't the derivative of a constant zero ?

Welcome to the PF.

Please note that this thread has been dormant for almost a year. The OP has not posted since this thread, so most likely they are not around to answer your question...
 
berkeman said:
Welcome to the PF.

Please note that this thread has been dormant for almost a year. The OP has not posted since this thread, so most likely they are not around to answer your question...

Thank you

And would you be able to further explain how he got the problem ? I understand everything except how A'(t) is not equal to zero.
 
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iriver4 said:
Thank you

And would you be able to further explain how he got the problem ? I understand everything except how A'(t) is not equal to zero.

The area is not constant. The length and width are different, so there is a change in area, even though 2 sides are expanding while 2 sides are contracting. What do you get as an equation for the area as a function of time?
 
  • #11
berkeman said:
The area is not constant. The length and width are different, so there is a change in area, even though 2 sides are expanding while 2 sides are contracting. What do you get as an equation for the area as a function of time?

He posted that A'(t) = W'L + L'W
L = 60cm
W = 40cm

A'(t) = 0*60 + 0*40 = 0

Because the derivative of a constant is zero right ?
 
  • #12
iriver4 said:
He posted that A'(t) = W'L + L'W
L = 60cm
W = 40cm

A'(t) = 0*60 + 0*40 = 0

Because the derivative of a constant is zero right ?

I'm not sure about what he posted, but the area is A(t) = L(t)*W(t) = (L+L'*t)(W-W'*t).

If you plug in the numbers from the problem statement, that area should be changing...
 
  • #13
berkeman said:
I'm not sure about what he posted, but the area is A(t) = L(t)*W(t) = (L+L'*t)(W-W'*t).

If you plug in the numbers from the problem statement, that area should be changing...

What are the values for L' and W' ? I am really sorry but I tried infinite ways and I can't get the correct answer
 
  • #14
iriver4 said:
What are the values for L' and W' ? I am really sorry but I tried infinite ways and I can't get the correct answer

The problem statement says "rate of 20 mm/s" :smile:
 

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