Calculating Initial Energy of a Spring-Connected Mass

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The problem involves a block connected to a spring, which is compressed and then released, leading to a collision with another block. The goal is to determine the initial energy of the spring based on the given conditions and the behavior of the blocks during the collision.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the need for additional information about the second block's mass and the nature of the collision (elastic or inelastic). There are attempts to apply energy and momentum conservation principles, but uncertainty remains regarding the assumptions made about the collision.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the application of conservation laws, but there is no explicit consensus on the assumptions regarding the collision type.

Contextual Notes

There is a noted lack of information about the second block's mass and whether the collision is elastic, which participants are questioning. The problem statement does not clarify these points, leading to varied interpretations.

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Homework Statement


A block of mass m = 0.1 kg is connected to a spring of unknown spring constant k. It is compressed to a distance x from its equilibrium position and released from rest.
After approaching half the distance (x/2) from equilibrium position, it hits another block and comes to rest momentarily, while the other block moves with a velocity 3 m/s. The total initial energy of the spring is:
1.5 J
0.6 J
0.3 J
0.8 J

Homework Equations


Spring potential energy is 1/2 kx2
In this question we have to do basically energy balance

The Attempt at a Solution


Isn't this question wrong?
We should be given other block mass and told that it is an elastic collision?
 
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Why don't you post your work so we can see what you have so far. It is solvable.
 
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AlephNumbers said:
Why don't you post your work so we can see what you have so far. Even if it were wrong, it would be a good exercise.
Initial energy = 1/2 kx2
At x/2 distance,
1/2 kx2 = 1/2 kx2/4 + 1/2 mv2
Now we know the mass of the block which is colliding but don't know velocity at that instant of colliding.
If we have been told that other block has same mass and it is an elastic collision then v could be 3m/s ?
 
Raghav Gupta said:
Now we know the mass of the block which is colliding but don't know velocity at that instant of colliding.
If we have been told that other block has same mass and it is an elastic collision then v could be 3m/s ?

If the first block stops moving after colliding with the second block, and the second block continues forward with a velocity, then I think it is safe to assume an elastic collision. Although it would have been nice if they had specified that it was an elastic collision in the problem statement.

Your work looks good so far. What do you know about elastic collisions?
 
AlephNumbers said:
If the first block stops moving after colliding with the second block, and the second block continues forward with a velocity, then I think it is safe to assume an elastic collision. Although it would have been nice if they had specified that it was an elastic collision in the problem statement.

Your work looks good so far. What do you know about elastic collisions?
In elastic collisions momentum and energy are balanced initially and finally.
If two blocks should have same velocity one transferring other, then masses should be same.
But they have not given that.
 
Raghav Gupta said:
In elastic collisions momentum and energy are balanced initially and finally.

Bingo!

Raghav Gupta said:
If two blocks should have same velocity one transferring other, then masses should be same.
But they have not given that.

Set up the conservation of momentum equation and the conservation of energy equation. You have two unknowns, and two equations relating those two unknowns.
 
Momentum conservation applying
0.1 v = 3m
Applying energy balance
1/2 * 0.1v2 = 9/2 m
Yeah v = 3m/s
But as I say, how we are assuming elastic collision?
 
Well, they really should have specified. They obviously want you to treat the collision as perfectly elastic, because they don't mention any energy being lost due to non-conservative forces (such as friction). But really, I guess we don't know. It is the fault of whoever made this question.
 
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