Calculating Invariant Mass Using Momentum and Rest Mass

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The discussion revolves around calculating the invariant mass using lab-frame momentum and rest mass in the context of particle collisions, specifically involving a proton and a neutron. Participants are exploring the relationship between energy, momentum, and invariant mass in relativistic physics.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants are attempting to understand how to derive invariant mass from given momentum and rest mass. Questions are raised about the definitions of energy and inertial energy, as well as the specific equations that relate these quantities.

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Some participants have provided equations related to invariant mass and energy, while others express confusion about the terms and concepts involved. There is an ongoing exploration of how to apply these equations to the specific problem at hand, with no clear consensus yet.

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There are indications of missing information regarding the total inertial energy of the system and how it should be calculated in the context of the problem. Participants are also navigating the appropriateness of the forum for their discussion.

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Hello,

I'm working on this problem and I'd like to know how to find the invariant mass using just the lab-frame momentum and rest mass.

I've found a lot of equations that deal with E, and I'm not completely sure what that is either.

Thanks
 
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I have a proton with momentum = 1GeV hitting a neutron at rest, and I'd like to find the CM-momentum before collision.

Thanks
 
More work...

So here's what I have so far...

E* = (Ep* + En*),

where
Ep* = Mp + Pe
En* = Mn

Pe = momentum of electron in lab frame
Ep* = energy of proton in CM frame
En* = energy of neutron in CM frame
Mn/Mp = mass of neutron/proton

Is E* = Invariant mass? If so, I've got this problem done.
 
iloveflickr said:
Hello,

I'm working on this problem and I'd like to know how to find the invariant mass using just the lab-frame momentum and rest mass.

I've found a lot of equations that deal with E, and I'm not completely sure what that is either.

Thanks

As measured in an inertial frame of reference - If m0 = invariant mass of system, p = total momentum of system and E = total inertial energy of the system then


E^2 = m02c4+(pc)2. Simply solve for the invariant mass m0 of the system and you have you're answer.

Pete
 
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pmb_phy said:
As measured in an inertial frame of reference - If m0 = invariant mass of system, p = total momentum of system and E = total inertial energy of the system then


E^2 = m02c4+(pc)2. Simply solve for the invariant mass m0 of the system and you have you're answer.

Pete

Thanks for your response. I found that exact equation in many texts and I haven't a clue what the total inertial energy of the system is.

In my particular problem, would it be E = KE(proton) + Mass(proton) + Mass(neutron)?
 
iloveflickr said:
Thanks for your response. I found that exact equation in many texts and I haven't a clue what the total inertial energy of the system is.

In my particular problem, would it be E = KE(proton) + Mass(proton) + Mass(neutron)?

The total inertial energy, E, of a particle is the sum of the particle's rest mass and its kinetic energy. The total energy, W, of a particle is the inertial energy + potential energy. That is to say that

E = K + E0

W = E + V

Best wishes

Pete
 
Thanks much.
 

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