Calculating Joe's Climb Efficiency

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The problem involves calculating the efficiency of Joe's climb as he ascends from an elevation of 250m to 490m, expending a specific amount of energy. The subject area includes concepts from mechanics, specifically work, energy, and efficiency.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the use of the work-energy theorem and the relevance of kinetic energy in this context. There are attempts to apply the potential energy formula (mgh) to find the efficiency, along with questions about the definitions of total energy input and useful energy output.

Discussion Status

Some participants have confirmed a calculated efficiency value of 0.63, while others express confusion regarding the relationship between total energy input and useful energy output. The discussion reflects a mix of agreement on the numerical result and ongoing clarification of the underlying concepts.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the inefficiency of human energy expenditure compared to the ideal work calculated using mgh, highlighting the distinction between input and output energy in the context of climbing.

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Homework Statement


Joe ascends a small hill from an elevation of 250m to an elevation of 490m. In doing so he expends 2.8x10^5J. If Joe's mass is 75kg what is the efficiency of his climb?

Homework Equations


W= change in E= change in Ek + change in Ep
Ep= mgh
Ek= 0.5mv^2
%efficiency=useful energy output/total energy input x 100%

The Attempt at a Solution


should i use the work energy theorem to solve the problem?
 
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I wouldn't use the theorem since there is no kinetic energy involved. The "useful energy" is just mgh.
 
Iused the mgh formula, but I couldn't get the answer which is 0.63
 
If the climber has gained the energy 'mgh' from climbing the hill, and the energy exerted is 2.8x10^5J, then his efficiency would be what?
 
0.63 is the efficiency
 
So you got it? It certainly works out to .63 for me. If it didn't for you, show your work.
 
I got it but I am still confused so the work is total energy input and the energy is the useful energy , why?
 
lcp1992 said:
I got it but I am still confused so the work is total energy input and the energy is the useful energy , why?

You only need to do mgh amount of work to climb a hill up to height h. But human beings (like most machines) are inefficient, which means that they will actually use MORE energy than this during the trip. The excess energy is wasted (as heat or whatever). That's why the input energy is larger than the output (useful) energy which actually went into doing the work necessary to get up the hill.
 
thanks!
 

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