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The discussion revolves around calculating the kinetic and potential energy of a ball dropped from a height, with specific attention to its initial conditions, trajectory, and energy transformations throughout its motion. The subject area includes concepts of energy conservation, kinematics, and projectile motion.

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  • Participants explore the calculation of initial kinetic energy and potential energy at various points in the ball's trajectory. Questions arise regarding the correct interpretation of the ball's initial velocity and the measurement of height for potential energy calculations. There is discussion on the conservation of energy and the need to consider both vertical and horizontal components of velocity.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, offering various approaches to calculate energies and questioning assumptions about the trajectory and measurement points. Some guidance has been provided regarding the calculation of vertical components and the application of equations of motion, but no consensus has been reached on the best method to proceed.

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There is a noted ambiguity in the initial conditions of the problem, particularly regarding the angle of launch and the reference point for height measurements. Participants are considering how these factors affect the calculations of potential and kinetic energy.

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A ball which has a mass of 2 kg is dropped vertically with the initial speed of 24 m/s in the direction that forms the angle 30 degree with the horizon ,from a 40 meters tall cliff. Find a) The initial kinetic energy of the ball
My solution is Ek1=(m*v^2)/2 here i replace m=2 kg and v=24 m/s and i find Ek1.

b) its kinetic energy and potential energy when he is in the highest point of its trajectory.

When he is at the highest point, v=0 so the Kinetic energy is zero..as for the potential energy..what am I supposed to do?

c) Find the kinetic energy of the ball when he touches the ground... the kinetic energy supposed to be E=(m*v^2)/2 ,by the law of the conservation of the energy, I have that Ep(b)=Ekc+Epc where Epb is the potential energy in the point B,and Ekc and Epb are the Kinetic and potential energy in the point c
d)Find the speed of the ball when it hits the ground...Here Ep=0..I have to find Ek but how?
 
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Elaia06 said:
A ball which has a mass of 2 kg is dropped vertically with the initial speed of 24 m/s in the direction that forms the angle 30 degree with the horizon ,from a 40 meters tall cliff.

"dropped vertically" ?? Did you really mean fired up at an angle of 30 degrees to the horizontal?

If so then..

b) Work out the vertical component of it's initial velocity. Apply standard equations of motion to work out how high it goes. Calculate the PE but think carefully about where the hieght needs to be measured from. As for it's KE.. At the top the vertical component is indeed zero but it will still have same horizontal component so it still has some KE.

c) Two ways to approach this: 1) You could apply the same equations of motion and answer part d first. Then calculate the KE. or 2) Use the answers from b) and apply conservation of energy.

d) It falls from the height calculated in b). Apply standard equation of motion to calculate the vertical velocity when it hits the ground. Horizontal velocity still the same as that at launch. Vector addition.
 
For the point b,i won't measure it from the ground right? I have to measure it from the point it is being thrown ?
 
I'd calculate it from the ground at the bottom of the cliff (eg add 40m) because that's where it will end up.
 

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