Calculating Light Intensity on a Target Using Lamp Setup

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The discussion centers around calculating light intensity on a target using a lamp setup, specifically focusing on converting lamp specifications into radiance values and understanding the implications of solid angles in the context of a UV lamp and parabolic reflector. Participants explore various aspects of irradiance, solid angles, and the geometry of the lamp setup.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks to convert lamp specifications in Watts to radiance values (W/m2/sr) for simulating solar flux on a car.
  • Another participant provides the formula for solid angle and suggests that the center of the light bulb may be the reference point for calculations.
  • There is a question about whether the average radiance or uniformity of light intensity across the angle matters, given the use of a parabolic reflector.
  • A participant mentions the need to calculate the solid angle when considering a transparent surface as the source, indicating a change in the setup.
  • Some participants suggest that the focus should be on measuring irradiance (watts/square meter) at the target surface rather than radiance.
  • One participant discusses the geometry of the lamp's placement relative to the parabolic reflector and provides a mathematical expression for how intensity varies with distance from the center of the target area.
  • There are considerations about the effectiveness of the setup and suggestions for positioning the lamp to achieve better illumination.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether to focus on radiance or irradiance, and there is no consensus on the best approach to calculating solid angles or the optimal lamp positioning. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations in their analyses, including assumptions about the uniformity of light intensity and the geometry of the lamp setup. There are also unresolved mathematical steps regarding the calculations of solid angles and intensity distributions.

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Hi,

I am trying to simulate necessary flux values on a car due to solar radiance. I'm trying to attain the necessary flux values using a lamp setup. I have the lamp specifications in Watts but I need to convert them into radiance values (W/m2/sr) for my application. I would like to know how to do that!
 
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The solid angle for a circular aperture is given by ##\Omega=2\pi(1-\cos(\theta))## where ##\theta## is the angle from the center of the aperture to the edge of the aperture as seen by an observer at the center of the solid angle. Although it is hard to tell without a drawing, I assume this would be the center of the light bulb in your lamp.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solid_angle
 
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Please explain in more detail what you are trying to achieve.
You mentioned parabolic reflector (other thread), which may mean that the light intensity will not be uniform across the angle. Will that matter, or do you just need the average radiance over the angle?
 
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I'm using UV lamp and the setup is shown in the figure below. I'm trying to focus this on to a surface, where I want a specified flux value. I want to calculate the radiance of the lamp that gives me my required flux value.
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Edit: If I consider the transparent surface as my source which is face of a cuboid, how is the solid angle calculated in this case?
 
My guess is you really want irradiance (watts/square meter) at the surface in question.
Measure the area of the spot from the lamp and divide the 2 kW by that number.
This says nothing about the spectral distribution of the energy relative to sunlight.
 
hutchphd said:
My guess is you really want irradiance (watts/square meter) at the surface in question.
Measure the area of the spot from the lamp and divide the 2 kW by that number.
This says nothing about the spectral distribution of the energy relative to sunlight.

I have given only lamp figure in the previous reply. The below is the complete picture. The lamp is kept inside a box which has a concentrator and I want to calculate the solid angle of the lamp in this scenario.
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I believe you want to compare the irradiance of the sun to the irradiance of the lamp. If that is not true you need to describe your purpose in greater detail.
 
You are showing the light source at the apex of the parabola. It should be at the focus. E.g. if you take a line from the lamp at right angles to the parabola's axis, it should strike the parabola at 45 degrees. Maybe it's just the way you have drawn it.

According to my algebra (messy, so unreliable), of the light that is reflected, the intensity at radius y from the centre of the target area varies as ##\frac{4f^2}{(y^2+4f^2)^2}##, where f is the focal length. To that you need to add the light that arrives directly.
So as suspected, the intensity diminishes as you move away from the centre of the target area.

Consider a small area radius y at the centre of the target, the target being distance x from the lamp. Of all the light emitted by the lamp the fraction that arrives directly is approximately ##\frac{\pi y^2}{4\pi x^2}=(\frac y{2x})^2##.
The light arriving on the same area after reflection is the light that falls inside a circle radius y on the mirror. If this light was emitted in a cone of half angle ##\theta## then ##\sin(\theta)=\frac{4fy}{y^2+4f^2}##, where f is the focal length. As @Dale noted, that is a solid angle ##2\pi(1-\cos(\theta))=4\pi\frac{y^2}{y^2+4f^2}##, so of all the light the lamp emits the fraction arriving on the target by reflection is ##\frac{y^2}{y^2+4f^2}##.

To get the total light on the target, add these fractions together.

Edit: more thoughts...
The analysis above only gives illumination in an area up to the aperture of the mirror. Beyond that, no reflected light hits the target. It looks like you want to brighten an area significantly larger than the aperture of the mirror, so it might be better to position the lamp somewhere between the focal point and the apex. Or use a different shape of mirror.
 
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