Calculating Magnetic Field at Point P from a Short Current Element

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The discussion focuses on calculating the magnetic field at point P due to a short current element. The equation used is dB = (μ0/4π) * (I * (dl x r^) / r^2), where the user attempts to find the x, y, and z components of dB. There is confusion regarding the calculation of r^2, as it is incorrectly treated as a vector instead of a scalar. The user is guided to correct their approach and clarify their intermediate steps to resolve the sign error and ensure accurate results. The conversation emphasizes the importance of proper vector and scalar treatment in magnetic field calculations.
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Homework Statement


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A short current element dl⃗ = (0.500 mm)j^ carries a current of 5.20 A in the same direction as dl⃗ . Point P is located at r⃗ = ( -0.730 m)i^+ (0.390m)k^.
Find the magnetic field at P produced by this current.
So basically what they are asking me for is the x, y, and z components of dB.

Homework Equations



dB= mu0/4pi * (I*(dl x r^)/r^2)
B=Bxi^ +Byj^ +Bzk^

The Attempt at a Solution


dB= 10^-7 * 5.2A *(1.95*10^-4m i^ +3.65*10^-4m k^ )/r^2

So, I cross multiplied dl and r^, now I am completely lost. I don't understand how I am supposed to find the x,y, and z components.
The idea i have is:
use the r^ as r and square it and finish the above equation and solve for dB, and then whatever i^ and k^ component is in the answer is equivalent to my x and z?

So dB=(-2.67*10^-4)i^ +(4.86*10^-10)k^
i^= x k^=z and y=0=j^But i get this answer wrong. Can anyone direct me into the right direction or tell me what I did wrong?
 
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mortymoose said:
dB= 10^-7 * 5.2A *(1.95*10^-4m i^ +3.65*10^-4m k^ )/r^2
Looks right.
mortymoose said:
use the r^ as r and square it
Yes. ##\vec r^2=\vec r.\vec r=|\vec r|^2##.
mortymoose said:
dB=(-2.67*10^-4)i^ +(4.86*10^-10)k^
I don't understand how you get these numbers (nor the minus sign). Please post the intermediate steps.
 
They don't tell the location of the current element. You have assumed it is at (0,0,0). OK. Gotta assume something.

But your answer of dB=(-2.67*10^-4)i^ +(4.86*10^-10)k^ has a sign error. (I didn't check your numbers).
 
haruspex said:
Looks right.

Yes. ##\vec r^2=\vec r.\vec r=|\vec r|^2##.

I don't understand how you get these numbers (nor the minus sign). Please post the intermediate steps.
dB= 10^-7 * 5.2A * (1.95*10^-4 i^ + 3.65*10^-4 k^)/r^2

r^2= (-0.73i^ + 0.39k^)^2 = (0.5329 i^ + 0.1521 k^)

Then i plug r^ in...
dB= 1.9027*10^-10 i^ + 1.248*10^-9 k^

Does this look better? I think i must of multiplied something wrong the first time maybe?
 
mortymoose said:
r^2= (-0.73i^ + 0.39k^)^2 = (0.5329 i^ + 0.1521 k^)
This line makes no sense. r^2 is a scalar, not a vector. But the final result might be OK.
Your previous mistake was to say j x -i = -k.
 
mortymoose said:
r^2= (-0.73i^ + 0.39k^)^2 = (0.5329 i^ + 0.1521 k^)
As rude man points out, this is wrong.
##(x \vec i+y\vec j)^2=x^2\vec i.\vec i+2xy\vec i.\vec j+y^2\vec j.\vec j=x^2+y^2##
##\vec i.\vec i=\vec j.\vec j=1## (dot product is a scalar, and these are unit vectors).
##\vec i.\vec j=0## ( these vectors are perpendicular).
 
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