Calculating Magnetic Field at Point P from a Short Current Element

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves calculating the magnetic field at a specific point due to a short current element. The context is rooted in electromagnetism, specifically the application of the Biot-Savart law to determine the magnetic field components produced by a current-carrying conductor.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the calculation of the magnetic field components, questioning the assumptions made about the location of the current element and the interpretation of the vector quantities involved. There is an exploration of the cross product and the correct application of the Biot-Savart law.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing feedback on the calculations presented. Some participants have pointed out potential errors in the signs and assumptions, while others are seeking clarification on the intermediate steps and the correct interpretation of vector operations.

Contextual Notes

There is a noted lack of information regarding the exact location of the current element, which has led to assumptions being made. Additionally, there are discussions about the nature of vector operations and the distinction between scalar and vector quantities in the context of the problem.

mortymoose

Homework Statement


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A short current element dl⃗ = (0.500 mm)j^ carries a current of 5.20 A in the same direction as dl⃗ . Point P is located at r⃗ = ( -0.730 m)i^+ (0.390m)k^.
Find the magnetic field at P produced by this current.
So basically what they are asking me for is the x, y, and z components of dB.

Homework Equations



dB= mu0/4pi * (I*(dl x r^)/r^2)
B=Bxi^ +Byj^ +Bzk^

The Attempt at a Solution


dB= 10^-7 * 5.2A *(1.95*10^-4m i^ +3.65*10^-4m k^ )/r^2

So, I cross multiplied dl and r^, now I am completely lost. I don't understand how I am supposed to find the x,y, and z components.
The idea i have is:
use the r^ as r and square it and finish the above equation and solve for dB, and then whatever i^ and k^ component is in the answer is equivalent to my x and z?

So dB=(-2.67*10^-4)i^ +(4.86*10^-10)k^
i^= x k^=z and y=0=j^But i get this answer wrong. Can anyone direct me into the right direction or tell me what I did wrong?
 
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mortymoose said:
dB= 10^-7 * 5.2A *(1.95*10^-4m i^ +3.65*10^-4m k^ )/r^2
Looks right.
mortymoose said:
use the r^ as r and square it
Yes. ##\vec r^2=\vec r.\vec r=|\vec r|^2##.
mortymoose said:
dB=(-2.67*10^-4)i^ +(4.86*10^-10)k^
I don't understand how you get these numbers (nor the minus sign). Please post the intermediate steps.
 
They don't tell the location of the current element. You have assumed it is at (0,0,0). OK. Gotta assume something.

But your answer of dB=(-2.67*10^-4)i^ +(4.86*10^-10)k^ has a sign error. (I didn't check your numbers).
 
haruspex said:
Looks right.

Yes. ##\vec r^2=\vec r.\vec r=|\vec r|^2##.

I don't understand how you get these numbers (nor the minus sign). Please post the intermediate steps.
dB= 10^-7 * 5.2A * (1.95*10^-4 i^ + 3.65*10^-4 k^)/r^2

r^2= (-0.73i^ + 0.39k^)^2 = (0.5329 i^ + 0.1521 k^)

Then i plug r^ in...
dB= 1.9027*10^-10 i^ + 1.248*10^-9 k^

Does this look better? I think i must of multiplied something wrong the first time maybe?
 
mortymoose said:
r^2= (-0.73i^ + 0.39k^)^2 = (0.5329 i^ + 0.1521 k^)
This line makes no sense. r^2 is a scalar, not a vector. But the final result might be OK.
Your previous mistake was to say j x -i = -k.
 
mortymoose said:
r^2= (-0.73i^ + 0.39k^)^2 = (0.5329 i^ + 0.1521 k^)
As rude man points out, this is wrong.
##(x \vec i+y\vec j)^2=x^2\vec i.\vec i+2xy\vec i.\vec j+y^2\vec j.\vec j=x^2+y^2##
##\vec i.\vec i=\vec j.\vec j=1## (dot product is a scalar, and these are unit vectors).
##\vec i.\vec j=0## ( these vectors are perpendicular).
 

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