Calculating Magnetic Field to Overcome Friction in Metal Wire Setup

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The discussion revolves around calculating the magnetic field required to overcome friction in a setup involving a metal wire placed on plastic rails. The problem involves understanding the relationship between the magnetic force and frictional force, with specific parameters such as the coefficient of friction, mass of the wire, and current in the wire being considered.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss equating the net frictional force with the magnetic force, questioning the presence of a square root function in the answer. There are inquiries about the current in the wire and the assumptions regarding the wire's material. Some participants express confusion over the relationship between the coefficient of friction and the required magnetic field.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the relationship between the forces, but there is no consensus on the peculiar formula presented in the problem. Participants are actively questioning the assumptions and seeking clarification.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention varying levels of physics education, with some indicating they are in a first-year tech program. There is uncertainty regarding the complexity of the problem and whether calculus or differential equations are necessary for solving it.

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Ok there are two plastic rails over which a metal wire is kept , the wire is kept prependicular to both plastic rails , over the rails.. The coefficient of friction is 'n' between the metal and the plastic . The mass of the plastic wire is 'm' , Calculate the magnitude of the Magnetic field B , which just allows the wire to move.

I equate dthe net frictional force which will try to limit the motion , with the Magnetic force given by ILB , but in the answer instead of 'n' . there is some square root fuction of 'n'in the denominator and n in the numerator. , please help.
 
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The wire will feel no force at all unles there is a current going through it. What information do you have about the current in this wire? I'm assuming this is not a magnetic wire (not iron or cobalt)?
 
ok the current in the wire is 'i' .
 
I assume there is also an "L" given. In that case you are exactly right. B=('n'mg)/(IL)
 
but the answer is given to be : nmg / (IL)[sqrt(1+n(^2)]
 
What level of physics is this? High school or college, and is it calculus based? Are you using differential equations?

I can not think of any reason why increasing the coefficient of friction should decrease the required magnetic field to start moving an object by the lorentz force. This is either an advanced, peculiar property I don't know about, or a mistake.

ANyone else want this one?
 
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I am in my first year at a tech-school , and this is Physics-II which we r taught in the second semester , but I think it doesn't matter what level i am studing , i just need to solve the problem. Use calculus or whatever .
 
I've looked in six college textbooks, and I can't find any reference to that peculiar formula. Sorry, but I'm done here :frown:
 

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