Calculating Magnetic Flux Change in Moving Coil Experiment

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The discussion revolves around calculating the change in magnetic flux in a moving coil experiment, specifically focusing on a coil with a defined cross-sectional area, magnetic flux density, and number of turns. The problem involves the coil's orientation relative to magnetic field lines and the effects of angular displacement on magnetic flux.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the application of the magnetic flux change formula and explore different interpretations of angular displacement in relation to flux calculations. Questions arise regarding the correctness of using specific angles in calculations and the implications of averaging methods for calculating average emf.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing exploration of different methods to calculate changes in magnetic flux, with participants questioning the validity of their approaches and seeking clarification on the application of formulas. Some participants suggest that misunderstandings may exist regarding the average emf calculation and the relationship between flux and emf.

Contextual Notes

Participants note potential misunderstandings related to the problem's requirements, including the need for rigorous methods versus simplified treatments. There is also mention of specific constraints regarding the angular speed of the coil and the time interval for calculations.

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Homework Statement


We have a coil with cross-sectional area of 2.4m^2.
Magnetic flux density is of 0.29T
Number of turns are 1.

Initially the coil is parallel to magnetic field lines. (Coil's normal vector is perpendicular to field vector)

Calculate the change in magnetic flux when coil is moved through an angle of 1 degrees

Homework Equations


Δ[/B]Φ = ΔBAcosθ

The Attempt at a Solution


My attempt
ΔΦ = ΔBAcosθ
ΔΦ = BA Δcosθ
ΔΦ = BA (cos 89 - cos 90)
Which leads to a correct answer

Examiner attempt
ΔΦ = ΔBAcosθ
ΔΦ = BA Δcosθ
ΔΦ = BA cos (90-1) How do they do this?
Which leads to a correct answer

Another question inquired me to calculate the change of flux when the change in θ is from 0 to 90. I used the normal way of multiplying BA by (cos 90 - cos 0). However, the examiner stated that this is simplified treatment, a rigorous method would involve averaging of cos θ leading to a factor of 1/sqrt2.
How is this factor achieved? I tried to calculate the mean value of cos θ using integration but the answer was different.
 
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Faiq said:
ΔΦ = BA (cos 89 - cos 90)
Which leads to a correct answer
Faiq said:
ΔΦ = BA cos (90-1) How do they do this?
Which leads to a correct answer
To me both answers look the same: cos(89) because of the value of cos(90) :smile: You sure your calculator is on degrees and not on radians ?
And how do they do it ? Probably they start with making a (top view) sketch !

Faiq said:
Another question inquired me to calculate the change of flux when the change in θ is from 0 to 90. I used the normal way of multiplying BA by (cos 90 - cos 0). However, the examiner stated that this is simplified treatment, a rigorous method would involve averaging of cos θ leading to a factor of 1/sqrt2.
There must be a misunderstanding there. Do you have the full litteral text of thte question that was asked you ?
 
No I meant, if I wanted to calculate the change in a value of a function at the interval ##a## and ##b##, I will calculate ##f(b)-f(a) \neq f(b-a)##. But in the provided example taking ##cos(90-1)## gave the answer. How was that possible?
 

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In the 89 degree case the change in flux was asked for. That is a simple difference.
In exercise 6 they explicitly ask for an average emf. Do you have a relationship (formula, expression) that links ##\Phi## to the emf ?
 
BvU said:
In the 89 degree case the change in flux was asked for. That is a simple difference.
In exercise 6 they explicitly ask for an average emf. Do you have a relationship (formula, expression) that links ##\Phi## to the emf ?
##Φ=\frac{-dV}{dt}=\frac{BANcos\theta}{\delta t} ##
 
Faiq said:
##Φ=\frac{-dV}{dt}=\frac{BANcos\theta}{\delta t} ##
Are you sure?
As per Faraday's law, what is the derivative of what?
 
Oh sorry my bad
##V=N\frac{-dΦ}{dt}=\frac{\delta BANcos\theta}{\delta t} ##[/QUOTE]
 
Don't know why you switch to a partial derivative ?
Write ##\theta## as a function of ##t## and you can take the average of V for a quarter turn in 0.14 s: $$<V> = {1\over 0.14}\int_0^{0.14 s} V\,dt$$
 
And how do I write theta as a function of t?
I tried 0.14/90 t = theta but ended up getting the wrong answer
 
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You may assume it turns with a constant angular speed from ##\pi\over4## to ##0## in 0.14 seconds

[edit] sorry,: yes, that should be ##\pi\over 2##.

Check your dimensions: on the left you have s2/degree and on the right an angle in degrees!
 
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BvU said:
You may assume it turns with a constant angular speed from ##\pi\over4## to ##0## in 0.14 seconds

Check your dimensions: on the left you have s2/degree and on the right an angle in degrees!
Don't you mean pi/2? The rotation is of 0 to 90 degrees.

Is this correct?
$$ <V> = \frac{0.0123}{0.14}\int^{0.14}_0 \cos{\frac{90}{0.14}t}~ dt $$
 
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