Calculating Maximum Height: Confusion & Solutions

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The discussion revolves around calculating the maximum height required to achieve the greatest range when shooting horizontally at an angle of 0 degrees, while neglecting air resistance. Participants express confusion regarding the implications of their calculations and the question's clarity.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants attempt to derive relationships between height and range using calculus, specifically through the first derivative of the range with respect to height. Questions arise about the validity of setting the derivative to zero and whether this indeed indicates a maximum. Some participants express confusion about the question's premise and its logical coherence.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants questioning the assumptions behind the problem and exploring the implications of their calculations. There is a recognition of potential misunderstandings regarding the relationship between height and range, as well as the nature of the first derivative in this context.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note that the question may not make sense, particularly regarding the angle of 0 degrees and the implications for height. There is an ongoing examination of the assumptions underlying the problem setup.

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Homework Statement
What is the minimum height β„Ž0 above ground that is required to generate the greatest range shooting horizontally with an angle of 0 degrees and discounting air resistance? 𝑣0 is initial velocity.
Relevant Equations
y = h + vt + 0.5a*t^2
vx = v0*cos(theta)
vy = v0*sin(theta) - g*t
I am calculating it like this:
𝑦=β„Ž0βˆ’0.5𝑔𝑑^2=0β†’β„Ž0=0.5𝑔𝑑^2→𝑑=sqrt(2*β„Ž0/g)

π‘₯=𝑣0*𝑑→ substituting t β†’π‘₯=𝑣0*sqrt(2*β„Ž0/g)

𝑑π‘₯/π‘‘β„Ž0=𝑣0/(𝑔*sqrt(2*h0/g))=0 for maximum β„Ž0=0.
confused. can someone tell me how I am calculating this wrong?
 
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The question doesn't seem to make much sense.

eg: "angle of 0 degrees".
 
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annamal said:
Homework Statement:: What is the minimum height β„Ž0 above ground that is required to generate the greatest range shooting horizontally with an angle of 0 degrees and discounting air resistance?
Uh ... as high as you can get. You don't see how that question makes no sense?
 
annamal said:
𝑑π‘₯/π‘‘β„Ž0=𝑣0/(𝑔*sqrt(2*h0/g))=0 for maximum β„Ž0=0.
confused. can someone tell me how I am calculating this wrong?
Does ##dx/dh_0=0## necessarily give you the point where x reaches a maximum? In what two ways might that not be true.
 
annamal said:
𝑑π‘₯/π‘‘β„Ž0=𝑣0/(𝑔*sqrt(2*h0/g))=0 for maximum β„Ž0=0.
So you have this formula for the first derivative of range as a function of height. And you seem have observed that this first derivative is maximized when height ##h_0## approaches zero.

But you seem to have lost track of what you were doing. You are looking for a height that makes the first derivative zero. Not a height that maximizes it.

If you plotted the first derivative, you could see that it looks a bit like just the first quadrant of a hyperbola.

[Googled up stock hyperbola]
1648469511641.png


Are there any zeroes for the first derivative?
 

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