Calculating Minimum Magnetic Field for Sliding Copper Rod on Two Rails

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The problem involves a copper rod resting on two rails and carrying an electric current, with the goal of determining the minimum magnetic field required to initiate sliding. The context includes concepts from electromagnetism and mechanics, particularly focusing on forces acting on the rod due to magnetic fields and friction.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to set up equations based on free body diagrams and Newton's laws, questioning how to determine the acceleration of the rod. Some participants suggest that the acceleration is zero at the point of sliding initiation, prompting further exploration of the forces involved.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants engaging in clarifying the conditions under which the rod begins to slide. There are indications of different interpretations regarding the direction of applied forces and their effects on friction, suggesting a productive exploration of the problem's nuances.

Contextual Notes

Participants are considering the implications of the applied force's direction on the normal force and friction, which may affect the overall analysis. The original poster's approach relies on specific values and assumptions that may need further examination.

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Homework Statement


A copper rod of mass 0.6 kg rests on two rails 1.3 m apart and carries a current of 31 A from one rail to the other. The coefficient of static friction is 0.3. What is the magnitude of the least magnetic field that would cause the bar to slide?


Homework Equations



F= ILxB

F=ma

f=(Fn)(u) where f is the frictional force, Fn is the normal force, and u is mu.

The Attempt at a Solution



I set up a free body diagram and found the equation: F-(Fn)(u)=ma. In the y direction Fn=mg=(0.6)(9.8)= 5.88N. Then I plugged that into my first equation for the x direction and got F= 0.6a + 5.88. I know that F=ILB, so I plugged that in and solved for B: B= (.6a + 1.764)/40.3. Am I on the right track? If I am then where do I get the acceleration of the copper rod from? Thanks
 
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hi tomrja! :smile:

(have a mu: µ :wink:)
tomrja said:
… What is the magnitude of the least magnetic field that would cause the bar to slide?

Am I on the right track? If I am then where do I get the acceleration of the copper rod from?

yes :smile:

and the acceleration is zero

you only need just enough force to get the bar to start moving :wink:
 
tiny-tim said:
hi tomrja! :smile:

(have a mu: µ :wink:)


yes :smile:

and the acceleration is zero

you only need just enough force to get the bar to start moving :wink:


Ahhh duh, guess I should have read the problem again haha. Thanks!
 
Just to stir the pot a bit, if the applied force is not horizontally directed it is possible to increase or decrease the normal component of the net force, thus altering the net frictional force. So you might consider finding the optimum angle to apply the force first.
 
wow! i never thought of that! :rolleyes:

yes, tomrja, you need to do that also :smile:
 

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