Calculating Normal Mode: 2 Bars & Metal Spring

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The problem involves two metal bars connected by a spring, focusing on calculating the normal mode of the system. The bars are suspended at the same height and are subject to gravitational and spring forces.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss writing equations of motion and force balances, considering forces from gravity, spring tension, and external driving forces. There is exploration of coordinate systems and the implications of small angle approximations. Some participants express uncertainty about forming differential equations and the complexity of the system.

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The discussion is ongoing, with various approaches being suggested, including the use of free body diagrams and moments about the hinge. Some participants are attempting to derive equations of motion while others are questioning the assumptions made regarding the system's behavior.

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Participants note the challenge of dealing with two variables representing the angles of each bar, and there is mention of language barriers affecting communication. The setup involves pinned connections that allow rotation but restrict translation.

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2 metal, thin, bars (length=l, mass=m) are hunging on same height (distance between bars-d)
Lower end of bars are conected by metal spring (mass=0, k-spring constant, d-length)
My problem is how to calculate a normal mode.
 
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start by writing down the force balance/equations of motion...
 
so...

there are 3 diferent forces

1) force which causes tense of springs [tex]F=F_0cos(\omega t)[/tex]

2) force of gravity (I susspect we can pass over it because for small deflection of bars is really little...

3) Restoring force of spring [tex]F=-kx[/tex]

What shall I do next ?
 
1) is there a sinuosoidal driving force?
2) probably fair assumption, though we''ll keep it in mind
3) ok so this is the main restoring force

now i would pick a co-ordinate system, the angle of each bar makes against vertical seems like a good choice.

Then, for given angles t1, t2 write down the force balance with the equations of motion for each bar...
 
1) yes, there is some sinusoidal force but I think we can forget it. I needed it to second part of task...

I have no idea how to do it... I Must write some differential eguation, yes ? I still have big problems with differential equations...
 
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start with an FBD for a single bar, write down the moments about the hinge in terms of the spring force (unknown) then relate that to the angular acceleration about that point... (think about including gravity if needed as well... this will proabbly give you a pendulum mode...)

the other bar should look pretty similar, then using the fact the spring force is the same, couple them together to get a set of differential equations based on the two angles...
 
[tex]\varepsilon = \frac{M}{I}[/tex]

[tex]I=1/3 ml^2[/tex]

[tex]M=F*l[/tex]

[tex]F=-kx \Rightarrow F=-ksin\alpha l[/tex]

[tex]\varepsilon = \frac{-ksin\alpha l^2}{1/3 ml^2}[/tex]

[tex]\varepsilon =-3 \frac{ksin\alpha}{m}[/tex]

I try my best but I think it is wrong...
 
ok... I tried do It better:

[tex]M_1=- \frac{1}{2}d mgsin \theta[/tex]

[tex]M_2=-kxcos\theta d \Leftrightarrow M_2=-ksin\theta d cos \theta d[/tex]

[tex]M_w=- \frac{1}{2}d mgsin \theta-ksin\theta d^2 cos \theta[/tex]


[tex]sin\theta \approx \theta[/tex]

[tex]cos\theta \approx 1[/tex]

[tex]M_w=- \frac{1}{2}d mg \theta-kd^2\theta[/tex]

[tex]I \varepsilon= M_w[/tex]

[tex]\varepsilon= \frac{d^2\theta}{dt^2}[/tex]

[tex]\frac{d^2\theta}{dt^2}+ (\frac{\frac{1}{2}d mg-kd^2}{I})\theta=0[/tex]

[tex]\frac{d^2\theta}{dt^2} + \omega _0^2\theta=0[/tex]

[tex]\omega _0^2= \frac{\frac{1}{2}d mg-kd^2}{I}[/tex]

[tex]\omega _0= \sqrt{\frac{\frac{1}{2}d mg-kd^2}{I}}[/tex]

is it good ?
 
so the top ends of the bars are pinned, and they can only roatte about that pin?

its a bit difficult to follow, what exactly is theta here?

but shouldn't you have 2 variables, one to capture the motion of each bar?
 
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(distance between bars-d)

sory but english is not my first language and... when I put "pin" in my dict there is only "penis" :D

Theta is a delfection angle of bar...
 
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pinned connection means free to rotate about that point, but restrained form any translations

d will be constant at the pinned ends of the bar, but the bars can rotate inpedendtly, though they wil be affected by the spring. ie you probably need a theta for each bar...
 
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so... 2 different theta it's a bit too complicated for me... how i must modificated my solution ?
 

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