Calculating pH, pOH, [OH-], and Kw at 37°C

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The discussion revolves around calculating the pH, pOH, hydroxide ion concentration ([OH-]), and the ion product of water (Kw) at 37°C. Participants explore the implications of temperature on these values and the relationships between them.

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  • One participant presents calculations for pH, pOH, [OH-], and Kw, noting discrepancies between their results and expected values.
  • Another participant warns that the assumption of Kw = 1x10-14 is incorrect for water at 37°C, suggesting that the question should provide both pH and pOH for accurate calculations.
  • A participant explains their method for calculating Kw using the relationship between pH, pOH, and the concentrations of H3O and OH, acknowledging the temperature dependence of Kw.
  • One participant questions the source of [OH-] and its relationship to [H+] in the context of water's autodissociation.
  • Another participant clarifies that the concentrations of [H+] and [OH-] are equal in pure water, which is essential for determining the dissociation constant.
  • A later reply indicates that the participant has resolved their confusion regarding the dissociation of water and the equality of pH and pOH values.

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Participants express differing views on the correct value of Kw at 37°C and whether the calculations presented are valid. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the correct application of temperature effects on Kw.

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There is a lack of consensus on the appropriate value of Kw at 37°C and how it affects the calculations. Some assumptions about the relationship between pH, pOH, and the concentrations of ions are also debated.

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Problem:
The pH of pure water at 37°C is 6.80. Calculate Kw,
pOH, and [OH-] at this temperature.

Work:
pH: 6.8
pOH = 14 -6.8 = 7.2
[OH]: 10-7.2 = 6.3 x 10-8 M
Kw= [H3O] [OH] = 1.5 x 10-7 x 6.3 x 10-8 = 1x10-14


Real answer:
pH:6.8
pOH:6.8
[OH]: 1.6x10-7
Kw: 2.5 x 10-14

What am I doing wrong? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
 
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Beware my response here may be fundamentally flawed: but the question should give you both pH and pOH if you want to find Kw for water at 37 celslius.

In your "Work" section you bluntly assumed 1x10-14 for water, but this is NOT the value for water at 37 celsius.
 
Thanks for the response.

Well Kw= [H3O] x [OH]
So I got the value for pOH from the equation pk = 14 = pOH + pH.
I then found the concentrations for H3O and OH by using the formulas for pH (pH = -log [H3O]) and pOH ( pOH= -log[OH]). I then plugged those values into the orginal equation and got Kw = 1x10-14. I realize that is the value for water at 25o C but apart from the fact that K increases with temperature I don't know how else it ties in.
 
Where does the OH- comes from? Think about stoichiometry of the reaction. How is [OH-] related to [H+] if there are no other sources of both but water autodissociation?
 
Now this is clear (Borek, #4). The [H+] concentration is equal to the [OH-] concentration. All the values needed to determine the dissociation constant are present.
 
Edit- Never mind, I understand. The water dissociates into equal parts so the pH and pOH will both be 6.8. I think at least.

Thanks for the help!
 

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