Calculating Photomultiplier Tube Saturation Limit

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The discussion revolves around the saturation limit of photomultiplier tubes (PMTs), specifically focusing on how to calculate the maximum light intensity that can be safely delivered to a PMT without causing damage. Participants explore various factors influencing this limit, including specifications, operational conditions, and personal experiences with PMTs.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant queries how to calculate the saturation limit of a PMT and mentions the maximum current produced per luminosity as a relevant specification.
  • Another participant suggests that the damage threshold is typically provided by the manufacturer and implies that PMTs can handle considerable light flux without damage.
  • A participant shares their experience measuring a peak pulse output from a PMT and raises concerns about exposing the cathode to sunlight.
  • Another participant describes their setup using a Hamamatsu R928 PMT and notes the laser power input, expressing a desire to know the damage threshold.
  • One participant inquires about the operating temperature of the circuit box housing the PMT, suggesting that exceeding the rated temperature could affect the PMT's lifespan.
  • A participant mentions using a thermocouple to monitor temperature within the circuit box.
  • Another participant shares their experience with a Hamamatsu R928 that was accidentally exposed to fluorescent light and notes that it resumed functionality after a period without voltage.
  • One participant asks about the intensity limitation of the Hamamatsu R928 and the range over which its response remains linear with intensity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying opinions on the calculation of the saturation limit and the conditions under which PMTs can be damaged. There is no consensus on a specific method for determining the damage threshold or the intensity limitations of the PMT models discussed.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention various operational conditions, such as exposure to light and temperature, that may affect PMT performance, but these factors remain unresolved in terms of their impact on saturation limits.

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Hi,

Have some query on the photomultiplier tube saturation limit(the maximum light luminosity or intensity that can be delivered to the PMT without damaging the equipment). How do we calculate it?

I have looked through the specification. The only relevant specification for the saturation problem is the maximum current produced per luminosity. Is there some other gauge we should take to measure the maximum allowable amount of input light? What's the common rating?

Wouldn't want to spoil another PMT again
 
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I don't think you are able to easily calculate the damage threshold of a PMT. This type of information is usually provided by the manufacturer, and as far as I know it takes a considerable amount of light flux (relatively speaking) to damage a PMT. PMTs are used for very sensitive and low intensity applications. If you are damaging PMTs with to high of a light intensity then you should look at photodiodes or phototransistors as a possible substitute.
 
I have measured a peak pulse of more than 1 volt across 50 ohms (20 ma) out of a RCA 6810, but the average output should be less than 1 ma. Are you using a dynode or anode output? As for the cathode, you probably should not expose it to sunlight with no voltage on it, and never when any voltage is on it. What tube are you using, and what gain? How did you spoil the first one?
 
I am using the anode output, using a Hamamatsu R928... It is sited inside a circuit box that I have fabricated(with all the accessories electrical circuits for DC Measurement and an input fiber SMA fiber port)...using a gain at around 400-500V

Guess I have pumped in round 300-500uW of laser power through the fiber onto the cathode detector area(tat's why I like to know the damage threshold)... Another fatal mistake is that I have not switched off the room's light...
(Slipped my mind to off the light)

THe PMT was working for some time... but the next time round I have used them... I can't detect any DC signal anymore...

Guess I should try to be careful the next time round...
 
Just curious. Have you ever measured the temperature inside your "circuit box"?
The tubes Operating Ambient Temperature is -30 to +50 °C. Usually devices, that are operating at a temperature above their rated value, will age much quicker. Don't know if this is a problem with your tube.
 
No, I didn't. Have another one PMT(other model) in an even smaller box... seem to be working well for me...

BTW, out of interest... to monitor temperature in a box... what circuit did you used? A thermostat?
 
I would use a thermocouple with an associated meter. Or maybe just a glass thermometer.
 
Hi

I am also using Hamamatsu R928 and also exposed it accidentally to fluorescent light, with about a KV on it. After one night without voltage it resumed its capabilities.

Does someone know this device intensity limitation? Do you know at which range its response is linear with intensity?

Thanks
 
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