Need help calculating the heat of a wire wrapped

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Discussion Overview

The discussion focuses on calculating the power required to heat a wire, specifically 32 gauge kanthal wire, when coiled around a small glass tube. Participants explore the relationship between wire resistance, temperature control, and insulation methods, considering practical approaches to achieve desired heating without extensive calculations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Experimental/applied

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks to determine the power needed to heat the wire to a specific temperature range (320-430 degrees F) and questions whether the diameter of the tube affects this calculation.
  • Another participant mentions that heat loss will occur and suggests that insulation is crucial for achieving higher temperatures, referencing their experience with similar setups using nichrome wire.
  • There is a suggestion that achieving a constant temperature requires balancing heat input (I^2R heating) with heat loss, which can be minimized through insulation.
  • One participant proposes that instead of extensive calculations, a practical approach involving testing and measuring might be more effective, considering the use of high-temperature silicone for insulation.
  • Another participant recommends starting with removable insulation options, like fiberglass sleeves, to assess the effectiveness of the heating setup.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying opinions on whether to calculate the heating requirements or to rely on experimental testing. There is no consensus on the best approach, and discussions about insulation methods and their impact on heating efficiency remain open-ended.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge potential heat loss and the importance of insulation but do not resolve the specific calculations or methods for achieving the desired heating effect. The discussion reflects uncertainty regarding the influence of various factors on the heating process.

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Okay so before I get torn to shreds let me say I am coming to the gurus for knowledge because I am severely lacking in it.

So here is what I am trying to do. I am trying to figure out how to control the temperature of a wire when coiled or wrapped around a small glass tube. I am using 32 gauge kenthal wire I believe the resistance is 13.75 ohms per foot. Let's say I am using a foot of it to keep it easy. I guess my question is: is there a way to calculate the amount of Power (watts?) it is going to take to heat the wire to a specific temperature range? Say between 320-430 degrees F?

Things I know I don't know:
Will the diameter of the thing it is wrapped around change the outcome? or is it just based on the length and resistance of the wire? ( I read some formulas about the cross sectional area is that the space in which it is wrapped length wise along the thing I am wrapping?) just wasn't exactly sure on this

Would there be a way to limit the voltage or wattage to get the wires to reach a certain temperature and stay at that temp? (for the most part I know there will be heat loss and stuff like that)

I am trying to do this as "mechanical" as possible I guess I mean to say I want to use the most simple things I can to accomplish desired effect even at the cost of some efficiency or complete accuracy.

Any and all tips and criticism is welcome, I know I do not know what I need to and I am humbly asking for help.
 
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devinA said:
Okay so before I get torn to shreds let me say I am coming to the gurus for knowledge because I am severely lacking in it.

So here is what I am trying to do. I am trying to figure out how to control the temperature of a wire when coiled or wrapped around a small glass tube. I am using 32 gauge kenthal wire I believe the resistance is 13.75 ohms per foot. Let's say I am using a foot of it to keep it easy. I guess my question is: is there a way to calculate the amount of Power (watts?) it is going to take to heat the wire to a specific temperature range? Say between 320-430 degrees F?

Things I know I don't know:
Will the diameter of the thing it is wrapped around change the outcome? or is it just based on the length and resistance of the wire? ( I read some formulas about the cross sectional area is that the space in which it is wrapped length wise along the thing I am wrapping?) just wasn't exactly sure on this

Would there be a way to limit the voltage or wattage to get the wires to reach a certain temperature and stay at that temp? (for the most part I know there will be heat loss and stuff like that)

I am trying to do this as "mechanical" as possible I guess I mean to say I want to use the most simple things I can to accomplish desired effect even at the cost of some efficiency or complete accuracy.

Any and all tips and criticism is welcome, I know I do not know what I need to and I am humbly asking for help.

We used to use a set-up like this (with nichrome wire) to do pyrolysis reactions in a quartz tube under vacuum. You are likely going to lose a lot of heat unless you insulate the system. We would use glass wool to insulate our set-up. My guess is that insulation of the system is going to be the thing that limits the temperature that you will be able to achieve.

Recognize that a constant temperature means that the heat in (I^2R heating) equals the heat out. The heat out is going to depend upon the rates of heat out for the various loss mechanisms. Insulation minimizes some of these loss mechanisms.
 
So instead of trying to calculate everything out would this be a better situation to approach by testing and measuring? I was planning to insulate with high temperature grade silicone
 
devinA said:
So instead of trying to calculate everything out would this be a better situation to approach by testing and measuring? I was planning to insulate with high temperature grade silicone
I would try first with something you could remove, like a fiberglass sleeve, etc.
 

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