Calculating power as a function of time

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The problem involves calculating the power generated by a force acting on a body over time, specifically focusing on deriving an expression for power as a function of time based on the given force and mass.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between force, acceleration, and power, with attempts to derive expressions for distance and power over time. Questions arise regarding the correctness of integration steps and the distinction between average and instantaneous power.

Discussion Status

Some participants have identified errors in integration and the formulation of power, leading to further exploration of the correct approach. There is acknowledgment of the need to differentiate rather than divide to find instantaneous power, and multiple interpretations of the problem are being considered.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of correctly applying integration in the context of physics equations and the implications of initial conditions on the calculations.

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Homework Statement


A force of 5 N acts upon a body of 8 kg in the +x direction. Formulate an expression for the power generated as a function of time. The body is in the beginning at t=0 and x=0 (Sorry I'm translating this question from German, so excuse the mistakes).


Homework Equations



Work = Force * distance

Power = ΔW/Δt

Force = mass * acceleration

The Attempt at a Solution



Since the force of 5N is acting on the body, by Newton's third law, it is also exerting the same force, so that:

F = m * a

5 = 8*a

a=5/8 m/s^2

By integrating the acceleration twice I get the distance as a function of time:

x(t) = 5/8 t^2

Work = Force * distance = 5 * (5/8)t^2 = (25/8)t^2

P(t) = (25/8)t

Was my method correct?
 
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hk4491 said:
By integrating the acceleration twice I get the distance as a function of time:

x(t) = 5/8 t^2
You forgot something in doing that integration.
Work = Force * distance = 5 * (5/8)t^2 = (25/8)t^2

P(t) = (25/8)t

Was my method correct?
You have divided the total work done over the distance by the total time taken. That will give you average power, but I think it is the instantaneous power at time t that is wanted.
 
Thanks I realized my mistake in the integration part. That leads to x(t)= 5/16 t^2.

The body starts moving at t0=0, so at any given point of time Δt = t - t0 = t

Hence:

P= (F*d)/t

P(t) = 25/16 t
 
hk4491 said:
Thanks I realized my mistake in the integration part. That leads to x(t)= 5/16 t^2.

The body starts moving at t0=0, so at any given point of time Δt = t - t0 = t

Hence:

P= (F*d)/t

P(t) = 25/16 t

No. You missed out a factor of half in your integration, so the correct expression for total work done at time t should be ##W(t) = \frac{25}{16}t^2##. This expression is not linear in t, so can you simply divide by t to find the power at time t? Shouldn't you be differentiating?

Basically, your original expression was correct - simply because your errors "cancelled out". You missed a half when integrating, then divided instead of differentiating, so you didn't include a requisite factor of 2.
 
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Great, thanks for the explanation!
 
Another way of arriving at the answer is to remember that the instantaneous power is equal to the force times the velocity. The velocity at time t is 5t/8.
 

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