Calculating R with Beta in a Circuit

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To find the resistor R in the circuit with given parameters I=2mA and Beta=200, the relationship Ic=Beta*Ib and Ie=Ic+Ib are essential. The voltage Vb was initially calculated as -9.3V, leading to a resistor value of R=4.65kΩ. However, confusion arises regarding the role of Beta and the base current Ib, particularly when considering a change in Beta to 100. The discussion highlights the challenge of understanding where the base current originates if the currents on both sides are identical, questioning the symmetry in the circuit. Clarifying these concepts is crucial for accurately calculating R and understanding the circuit's behavior.
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Homework Statement


I have this circuit
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Where I have to find R given that I=2mA, and Beta =200

Homework Equations


Ic=Beta Ib
Ie = Ic+Ib

The Attempt at a Solution


I would have thought that the voltage Vb would be -9.3V, since we have Vbe = 0.7 and at the bottom we are given -10V. Then I would just use this voltage along with the ground, and the current I is also the current going through the resistor (since it is a current mirror) and then find R=4.65kohm. But then, the second question is how would R change is beta is 100.

I don't see what role Beta plays. Maybe I am just tired, this is a really basic circuit. I don't see the point in finding Ib with beta and Ic. We could then find Ie, but I also don't see how this helps. I just don't know how to use this beta.

Thanks,
 
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Where would the base current come from if the currents on both sides would be identical?
 
mfb said:
Where would the base current come from if the currents on both sides would be identical?
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Where I drew the red. So does that mean the current in the branch that connects B and C in the transistor in the left is 0 or ?
 
That's where it goes into the transistor, but where does it come from?
Can you see how this breaks the symmetry?
 
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