Calculating States in a 3D Cubic Potential Well

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The discussion revolves around calculating the number of states in a three-dimensional cubic potential well with impenetrable walls, specifically for energies less than or equal to a given energy E. The problem involves understanding the quantization of energy levels and the relationship between quantum numbers and energy.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the relationship between energy levels and quantum numbers, with one suggesting an integral approach to count states, while others propose summing combinations of quantum numbers. There is a discussion about the validity of using integration versus counting discrete states.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered alternative perspectives on counting states, suggesting that the problem may be approached by considering geometric interpretations in three-dimensional space. There is an ongoing exploration of how to accurately count the states and whether to consider lower energy states in the calculation.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the challenges of counting states exactly and the potential for approximations. There is also mention of the discrete nature of quantum numbers and the implications this has for the methods used in the calculations.

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Homework Statement



I am to calculate the number of states in a 3Dcubic potential well with impenetrable walls that have energy less than or equal to E

Homework Equations



\ E_n=\frac{\hbar^2\pi^2}{\ 2 \ m \ a^2}\ (\ {n_x}^2 + \ {n_y}^2 + \ {n_z}^2)

The Attempt at a Solution



We may denote \ (\ {n_x}^2 + \ {n_y}^2 + \ {n_z}^2)=\ n^2
and express n in terms of E_n

Then, we can evaluate the integral n(E')dE' for E'=0 to E'=E

I am not sure if this would give the correct answer.Can anyone please help?
 
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E and n are discrete. No integral, just add up combinations of nx, ny, nz to give n.
 
E and n are discrete. No integral, just add up combinations of nx, ny, nz to give n.

I see.But should I sum them?
 
Your method is not correct.

The answer is the number of triples (nx,ny,nz) of positive integers such that nx2+ny2+nz2 is less than a certain constant times E.

Counting these exactly is difficult. But there is a simple way to do it approximately.

Consider (nx,ny,nz) as coordinates of a point in a three-dimensional space. Any point that is inside a one-eighth sphere of radius (constant)E counts, and any point outside does not count. Now consider that, on average, there is one point per unit volume of this one-eighth sphere ...
 
Hmmm...
Then it is easier to calculate the volume of the sphere (since there is one state per unit volume) instead of calculating the no. of states.

the squared maximum radius is \ n^2=\frac{\ E_n \ 2 \ m \ L^2}{\hbar^2 \pi^2}

The co-ordinates \ n_x,\ n_y,\ n_z that results in a greater radius,also involves greater energy.Hence,they are excluded.

So, the required number of states is \frac{4}{3}\pi\ n^3

what was wrong with my approach?

My approach was to calculate directly the number of states. The direct value of N gives the number of states with the specified energy E...but it does not include the states with lower values of energy.Therefore I tried to put the problem into an integral...

The integration should not be valid here because n(E) is not a continuous variable.
 
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