Calculating Steel Sheet Thickness for 8m Pool

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The discussion revolves around determining the appropriate thickness of galvanized steel sheets for constructing a round pool with a diameter of 8 meters and a height of 1 meter, filled with water to a depth of 0.7 meters. Participants explore the structural integrity and cost considerations of using thin steel sheets in this application.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant calculates the pressure at the bottom of the pool using the formula P=p.g.h, resulting in a pressure of 6867 Pa, and seeks advice on how to proceed with this information.
  • Another participant suggests that the strength of the material is not the primary concern, arguing that even very thin sheets can withstand the pressure, but emphasizes the importance of the joints and potential leaks.
  • A calculation is presented for hoop stress in a cylindrical pressure vessel, with a proposed factor of safety of 3 and an assumed yield strength of 300 MPa, leading to a suggested thickness much thinner than commercially available sheets.
  • One participant points out an error in the previous calculation regarding the use of diameter instead of radius, indicating that the stress calculation should yield a thickness half of what was initially suggested.
  • Concerns are raised about stress concentrations at the bolted joints, with a warning that failure modes could include crack propagation rather than just stress-based failure, particularly with thin sheets.
  • Another participant expresses skepticism about using steel for the pool, suggesting that heavy plastic might be a more cost-effective and practical alternative, and recommends considering stainless steel over galvanized steel.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the suitability of thin steel sheets for the pool's construction, with some emphasizing material strength and others focusing on practical considerations like joint integrity and potential failure modes. There is no consensus on the best material or thickness to use.

Contextual Notes

Participants note various assumptions, such as the yield strength of the steel and the factor of safety, which may affect the calculations. The discussion also highlights the importance of practical construction considerations, such as joint design and material choice, which are not fully resolved.

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ok guys, suppose i wanted to build a round 8m diameter 1m high pool out of galvanized steel sheet. I will be filling it 0.7m with water.
I am aiming to reduce its cost so I am calculating the thinnest sheet i am allowed to use without it failing.
I will be using 7 sheets bolted together(each is 1m x 3.6m).

The pressure at the bottom (P=p.g.h) came out as 6867 Pa. Now how do i work with this information? I am guessing a circular distributed force which acts on the 7 unions?

Any ideas?

Thankss
 
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It's not the strength of the material you need to be worried about, as even incedibly thin sheet will withhold that. The cost difference between gagues isn't that huge in the grand scheme of things. If it's a pool you don't want thin sheet metal as it will flex when people are in it.

It's your joints you need to be worried about. Unless it's fully welded, or you use some gasketing/bonding material it'll just leak all the water away.

This can be considered to be a cylindrical pressure vessel, with hoop stress being the largest stress. The size means we can assume it's a thin wall. Factor of safety of say 3. No ide awhat grade of steel you are using so i'll assume a yield of about 300MPa

Although if this is a pool, stainless would be a better idea.

stress = pr/t
(0.006867*8)/t = (stress yield/3)
0.054936/100=0.0055mm

So as you can see this is much much thinner than the thinnest sheet you can buy. Material strength is not the dominant factor in design here. It needs to be practical.
 
xxChrisxx said:
stress = pr/t
(0.006867*8)/t = (stress yield/3)
0.054936/100=0.0055mm

It is actually half that since you used the diameter instead of the radius.
 
cstoos said:
It is actually half that since you used the diameter instead of the radius.

Oops! Well spotted. :smile:
 
Don't forget about the stress concentrations that will occur where you bolt the sheets together. Depending on how you are going to do to bolt the plates together, the stresses could get fairly high.

Also, depending on the grade of steel you buy, your failure mode may be crack propagation, not stress based failure.
 
jrw66 said:
Also, depending on the grade of steel you buy, your failure mode may be crack propagation, not stress based failure.

I'd agree with this, expecially if you try thing sheet steel, it will flex and likely tear at the jionts.


To be honest, steel is not the material i'd chose to make a pool from. It'd probably be cheaper to just get it made from a heavy plastic. If you have to go with steel, i'd go with a stainless rather than a galvanised steel. Or build a proper pool.
 

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