Calculating temperature using NTC thermistor

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating temperature using an NTC thermistor, specifically focusing on the application of the temperature coefficient formula and the Steinhart-Hart equation. Participants explore the relationship between resistance and temperature, as well as the implications of using different temperature scales.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes their practical experiment with an NTC thermistor and expresses confusion about using the Steinhart-Hart equation to calculate temperature.
  • Another participant provides a reformulation of the equation and offers an example calculation, asserting that temperature should be in Celsius.
  • A third participant challenges the initial formula presented, stating it is not the correct Steinhart-Hart equation and suggests consulting application notes for proper measurement techniques.
  • Another reply suggests that the inquiry may relate to self-heating effects of the thermistor, directing the original poster to additional resources.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correct application of the Steinhart-Hart equation, with some asserting the formula is misrepresented while others provide calculations based on the initial formula. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the proper approach to calculating temperature and the interpretation of resistance values.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about the reference temperature and the specific coefficients for the thermistor in question. Additionally, the discussion highlights potential confusion over the use of Celsius versus Kelvin in temperature calculations.

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Hello,
i was doing a practical experiment using NTC thermistor. I recorded the resistance at different voltages (1v, 2v, 3v, etc) and to find the temperature i need to use the temperature coefficient formula "The Steinhart-Hart equation":

R(T) = R(T0) * [ 1 + a(T - T0) ]

where
T0 = reference temperature (deg Celsius)
T = temperature of interest (deg Celsius)
R(T0) = resistance at reference temperature (ohm)
R(T) = resistance at temperature of interest (ohm)
a = temperature coefficient of resistivity (1/deg Celsius)

i am confused to how calculate the temperature.
i know: T0 = room temperature (20 degrees C)
a = for copper wire is 0.004041
T = is what I am trying to find
R(T0) = ?? my thermistor says "resistance value to be 2kΩ" is this the value of R(T0)?
R(T) = this is the resistance value i get when passing current through copper wire

in some books I've seen the values of T to be in kelvin and sometimes in celsius. which is the correct way in this case? and instead of resistance some books replace it with "rho" for resistivity.
please help

does anyone know where i can find some example worked questions to understand this.

Slim
 
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R(T) = R(T_0) \cdot [1 + a(T - T_0)]

Where,

R(T) = resistance at temperature of interest
R(T_0) = resistance at reference temperature
a = temperature coefficient of resistivity
T = temperature of interest
T_0 = reference temperature

This equation is for predicting the resistance at another temperature based on a resistance at a reference temperature. The resultant resistance is due to the temperature increase at the temperature of interest.

Example:

R(55) = R(20) \cdot [1 + 0.004041(55 - 20)

= 223.75 \cdot 1.14143

= 255.396 \Omega

The temperature should be in Celsius.

I'm not 100% sure if there is a way to relate your measured voltages to temperature using this equation so I'll let an EE chime in.

CS
 
I suggest you to take a look at the following application notes:
Analog Devices AN 709 (right now can be found here http://www.analog.com/UploadedFiles/Application_Notes/2001119207465975025AN709_0.pdf )
Microchip AN685 - http://www.microchip.com/stellent/idcplg?IdcService=SS_GET_PAGE&nodeId=1824&appnote=en011704

Anyway, I don't understand what you are trying to achieve.
The formula you posted is NOT the Steinhart-Hart formula. The proper one is here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steinhart-Hart_equation

If you want to measure temperature using the NTC thermistor, check the app. notes above. Basically, you connect a resistor and NTC thermistor in series and measure a voltage drop on one of these components.
It is easy to get the NTC resistance then. If you know coefficients of Steinhart-Hart equation of your particular NTC, it is easy to work out the temperature of the NTC.

good luck
meereck
 
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