Calculating the Angle of a Stable Ball on a Charged Plane

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The problem involves a charged ball placed in a frictionless groove on an inclined plane, interacting with a fixed charge at the base. The goal is to determine the angle of the plane at which the ball achieves a stable position, given the forces acting on it.

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Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the forces acting on the ball, including gravitational and electrostatic forces, and question the setup of vector decomposition for resolving these forces.
  • Some participants suggest that the original poster may have overlooked the normal force in their calculations.
  • There is a focus on the correct resolution of forces along the inclined plane versus the vertical direction.
  • Confusion arises regarding the proper application of trigonometric functions in the context of the problem.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing guidance on how to approach the problem differently. There is acknowledgment of the need to reconsider the coordinate system and the resolution of forces, but no consensus has been reached on the correct method yet.

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Homework Statement


A single charge q1 = 1.10E-7 C is fixed at the base of a plane that makes an angle theta with the horizontal direction. A small ball of mass m = 1.75 g and a charge q2 = 3.30E-8 C is placed into a smooth frictionless groove in the plane that extends directly to the fixed charge (image attached.) It is allowed to move up and down until it finds a stable position d = 11.0 cm from the fixed charge. What is the value of theta (t)?

Homework Equations


Fe = kq1q2/d^2
Fg = mg

The Attempt at a Solution


Fe = (8.99E9)(1.1E-7)(3.3E-8)/(0.11^2) = 0.002697 N [up to the right]
Fg = (.00175)(9.8) = 0.01715 N [down]

(Fe)(sin(t)) = mg
(0.002697)(sin(t)) = 0.01715
sin(t) = 6.358917316
Since sin(t) has to be between -1 and 1 it is impossible to find t.

Any help detecting my problem would be greatly appreciated.

 

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I think you forgot about the normal force.

Try to set up the vector decomposition differently.
 
Kaylee said:
(Fe)(sin(t)) = mg
That's wrong. Which direction are you resolving into get that?
 
showzen said:
I think you forgot about the normal force.

Try to set up the vector decomposition differently.
So my new equation would be
mg = Fe(sin(t)) + N.
I'm confused as to where to go from here.
What did you mean by "set up the vector decomposition differently."
 
haruspex said:
That's wrong. Which direction are you resolving into get that?
I'm resolving along the y-axis (vertical). If you look at the photo, I think it is right.
 
You found the vertical component of Fe.

If you take the plane to be the x-axis, you can find the horizontal component of mg.
 
Kaylee said:
I'm resolving along the y-axis (vertical). If you look at the photo, I think it is right.
No, as you replied to showzen, it wasn't right because you had left out the normal force.
The simpler path, though, is to resolve parallel to the plane so that you don't need to involve the normal force.
 
haruspex said:
No, as you replied to showzen, it wasn't right because you had left out the normal force.
The simpler path, though, is to resolve parallel to the plane so that you don't need to involve the normal force.
Sorry, when you said "That's wrong," I thought you meant that I got the direction, as in I used the wrong trig function.
 
Thanks for your help. Changing my coordinate system makes the whole problem much easier.
 
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Kaylee said:
Sorry, when you said "That's wrong," I thought you meant that I got the direction, as in I used the wrong trig function.
I couldn't tell which - either you'd resolved vertically and omitted the normal force, or you'd resolved down the plane and put the sine factor on the wrong side. I've seen the second done more often than the first.
 
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haruspex said:
I couldn't tell which - either you'd resolved vertically and omitted the normal force, or you'd resolved down the plane and put the sine factor on the wrong side. I've seen the second done more often than the first.
Thanks again for all your help! This forum is very helpful to fully understand where I am going wrong.
 

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