Calculating the area of regions between two curves

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The discussion revolves around calculating the area between two curves, specifically addressing how to interpret the definite integral in relation to areas above and below the x-axis. Participants explore the implications of integrating functions that cross the x-axis and how this affects the total area calculation.

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  • Participants discuss the significance of distinguishing between areas above and below the x-axis when calculating total area. Questions arise regarding the interpretation of the definite integral and the need for multiple integrals to account for different regions.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights into the calculation of areas and the behavior of integrals. Some guidance has been offered regarding the need for separate integrals for different regions, though there is no explicit consensus on the best approach yet.

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There is mention of a drawing that aids in understanding the area calculations, but specific details about this drawing are not provided. Participants also express uncertainty about certain terms and concepts, indicating a need for further clarification.

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When calculating the area of regions between two curves, why do we igone that they have crossed x-axis, and simply use the formula of (definite integral of upper function - definit integral of lower function)? dosen't the area under x-axis region become negative?
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You want the area in the physical sense of the word, i.e., a positive quantity. You will calculate f(x)-g(x), which will be bigger if g(x) < 0 as the two negative signs will make a plus. As you can see in the figure, this is what you want because in the region where g(x) is below zero the area is greater than the area delimited by f(x) down to y = 0.
 
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Ohh so essentially the definit inetgral wouldn't take the diffrence between the area under x-axis and the area above x-axis?
 
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Ohh so essentially the definit inetgral wouldn't take the diffrence between the area under x-axis and the area above x-axis?
I'm not sure I understan what you mean here.

I think that you have to be careful about the use of the expression "area under the curve" to explain the integral. If you take
$$
\int_0^{2 \pi} \sin x \, dx = 0
$$
you get zero because the integral over ##(0,\pi)## cancels out the integral over ##(\pi,2 \pi)##. But if you are interested in the (surface) area between the sine curve and the x-axis, i.e., between ##f(x) = sin(x)## and ##g(x) = 0##,
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then you have to consider that two functions cross at ##x = \pi## and the result will be
$$
\int_0^{\pi} (\sin x - 0) \, dx + \int_{\pi}^{2 \pi} (0 - \sin x) \, dx = 4
$$
 
Saba said:
Ohh so essentially the definit inetgral wouldn't take the diffrence between the area under x-axis and the area above x-axis?
The definite integral between the curves y=0 to y=f(x) DOES distinguish between above versus below the x-axis. It will give you the area above minus the area below. But a definite integral between the curves y=g(x) to y=f(x) only distinguishes between f(x) being above g(x) versus f(x) being below g(x). So that is the only thing you need to worry about in the original post.
 
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I don't think this has been mentioned. Given your drawing in post #1, the total area, ##A_1 + A_2## (if that's what you're after) will require two integrals.

The first integral, whose value is ##A_1##, is ##\int_{-3}^0 f(x) - g(x)\,dx##. The second integral, whose value is ##A_2##, is ##\int_0^{2?} f(x) - g(x)\,dx## for the reason that on that interval ##f(x) \ge g(x)##. I've estimated the right-hand endpoint of that interval, since your drawing doesn't show it.
 
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