Calculating the charge densities

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The discussion revolves around transforming a surface charge density from an infinite surface into a linear charge density along a specified axis. The original poster describes a setup involving a surface of length L, oriented normal to the y-axis, and seeks to understand how to represent this surface in terms of linear charge density.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the relationship between surface charge density and linear charge density, with one participant attempting to derive a formula for the transformation. Others question the arrangement of the coordinate system and the implications of representing the surface charge in a different form.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants seeking clarity on the physical arrangement and the nature of the transformation. Some have provided insights into the differences between the electric fields generated by a surface charge versus a linear charge, indicating a productive exploration of the topic.

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There appears to be some confusion regarding the coordinate system and the representation of the surface charge, which may affect the understanding of the problem. Participants are also considering the implications of the transformation on the electric fields involved.

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Lets say you have a infinitely long surface with one side of length ##L## and a surface charge density ##ρ_s## and you need to transform that into a linear charge density ##Q'## so that you can represent the surface along some axis ##y## so the the surface is placed normal to the axis and goes from ##y=0## to ##y=L## how would you make that transition? Take the infinitely long dimension to be ##h##.

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3. The Attempt at a Solution [/B]
I tried this line of thinking:
$$Q'=\frac{dQ}{dh}=\frac{ρ_sdS}{dh}=\frac{ρ_sdhdl}{dh}=ρ_sdl$$
Could this be correct and how would it be in a more complicated case? Is there a pattern here?
 
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I don't understand the arrangement. It is an infinite strip width L, and the y-axis is normal to the strip? So say it is L in the x-axis and infinite in z. But now you have y from 0 to L? And in what sense are you wanting to "represent" the surface?
 
haruspex said:
I don't understand the arrangement. It is an infinite strip width L, and the y-axis is normal to the strip? So say it is L in the x-axis and infinite in z. But now you have y from 0 to L? And in what sense are you wanting to "represent" the surface?
Sorry, i think i was a little confusing in choosing the words. Let's imagine it like this. You see the wall, the ##y-axis## is to the right and left of this wall, the ##x-axis## is up and down and the ##z-axis## is behind and in front of you. The surface is placed so that it is infinite up and down and of length ##L## from ##y=0## to ##y=L##. Is now clearer?
 
diredragon said:
Sorry, i think i was a little confusing in choosing the words. Let's imagine it like this. You see the wall, the ##y-axis## is to the right and left of this wall, the ##x-axis## is up and down and the ##z-axis## is behind and in front of you. The surface is placed so that it is infinite up and down and of length ##L## from ##y=0## to ##y=L##. Is now clearer?
Ok, but then what do you mean by the required transformation into a linear density? Where is this in the picture, and in what sense does it relresent the original charge? The fields are obviously not the same.
 
So with the set up coordinate system you rotate it so that the x-axis looks to you and you see only the z ad the y. The surface looks like a line on the y-axis you right? So given the surface charge density can you transform it into a linear charge density along the y-axis bu cutting the surface into small elements of ##dy## (lines along the surface). This is the problem.
 
diredragon said:
So with the set up coordinate system you rotate it so that the x-axis looks to you and you see only the z ad the y. The surface looks like a line on the y-axis you right? So given the surface charge density can you transform it into a linear charge density along the y-axis bu cutting the surface into small elements of ##dy## (lines along the surface). This is the problem.
Ok. I think you are asking whether the field in the YZ plane can be simulated by a uniform charge along the Y axis.
The answer is no.
Close to the plane, the field is approximately constant (as for an infinite plane sheet). For a line of charge, the field gets very much stronger as you approach the line.
 

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