Calculating the Force on a Fire Truck Pumping Water onto a Burning Building

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The problem involves calculating the force on a fire truck that is pumping water onto a burning building. The scenario includes parameters such as the rate of water flow, the angle of ejection, and the height at which the water strikes the building. The subject area pertains to dynamics and fluid mechanics, specifically the application of Newton's laws in a real-world context.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between momentum and force, with one attempting to derive the force based on the rate of change of momentum. Questions arise regarding the use of trigonometric functions in the derived expression, particularly the placement of the sine function in the denominator.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring the validity of the derived expression for force and questioning the implications of using trigonometric functions in their calculations. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of the cosecant function as an alternative representation, and there is an inquiry into the direction of the force related to the momentum vector.

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Participants express uncertainty about the appropriateness of their mathematical expressions and the interpretation of physical quantities involved, particularly in relation to vector directions and trigonometric identities.

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Homework Statement


A fire truck pumps a stream of water on a burning building at a rate K kg/s. The stream leaves the truck at an angle ##\theta## with respect to the horizontal and strikes the building horizontally at height h above the nozzle. What is the magnitude of the force on the truck due to the ejection of the water stream?

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We know that the rate of change of momentum of the water coming out of the nozzle must be equal and opposite to the force on the truck, from Newton's third law, then ##\vec{F_{truck}} = -\dot{\vec{P}}##. Now, we know that ##\dot{\vec{P}} = K \vec{v_0}##, so now all we must do is find the magnitude of the initial velocity. In the y-direction, we know that the velocity of the stream is zero when y = h (since it hits the building horizontally. So we can use the equation ##v_y^2 = v_{0y}^2 - 2gh##. Since the final velocity at h is zero, we can solve for the initial velocity in the y-direction, which is just ##v_{0y} = \sqrt{2gh}##. And since ##v_{0y} = v_0 \sin \theta##, we have that ##v_0 = \frac{\sqrt{2gh}}{\sin \theta}##. Thus, the magnitude of ##\dot{P}## and thus of ##F_{truck}## is ##K \frac{\sqrt{2gh}}{\sin \theta}##

I feel like I am doing something wrong...
 
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What makes you think you are doing something wrong?
 
I've just never seen an expression in physics where the sin function is in the denominator...
 
It is an aesthetic to put trig functions in the numerator ... so you may prefer to use the cosecant instead: ##F=K\sqrt{2gh}\csc\theta## ... better?

There are lots of occasion in physics to divide by the sine of an angle - especially with vectors. Your result has the right dimensions.
 
Alright... I'll just take it that my solution is correct then. Thanks! Also, one more thing. If I were asked to then find the direction of the force, how would I do that? Would I just say that it is in the direction ##- \hat{v_0}##?
 
Mr Davis 97 said:
I feel like I am doing something wrong
You are, but not what you thought.
You have an equation relating a momentum vector P to initial velocity vector v0. What are you taking P to be exactly there? What is its direction?
 

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