Calculating the magnetic field of an infinite solenoid

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The discussion revolves around calculating the magnetic field of an infinite solenoid, specifically focusing on the behavior of angles θ1 and θ2 as the length of the solenoid approaches infinity. Participants are exploring the implications of this limit on the magnetic field at a point P along the axis of the solenoid.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants are questioning how the angles θ1 and θ2 change as the length of the solenoid increases, particularly how θ1 approaches 0 and θ2 approaches π. There is also a discussion about the expressions that relate these angles to the magnetic field.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants seeking clarification on the relationships between the angles and the magnetic field. Some have expressed confusion about the setup and the implications of the solenoid's length on the point P's position relative to the solenoid.

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There is a mention of a homework statement that may need to be included in the main body of the discussion, indicating a potential constraint on how the problem is framed. Participants are also reflecting on their assumptions regarding the position of point P as the solenoid length increases.

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Homework Statement
Find the magnetic field at point P on the axis of a tightly wound solenoid (helical coil) consisting of n turns per unit length wrapped around a cylindrical tube of radius ##a## and carrying current ##I##(Figure 25). Express your answer in terms of ##\theta_1## and ##\theta_2## (it's easiest that way). Consider the turns to be essentially circular, and use the result of example 6. What is the field on the axis of infinite solenoid (infinite in both directions) ?
Relevant Equations
## \tan \theta _1 = \frac{a}{z} ##
## \tan \theta _2 = \frac{a}{l+z}## where l is the length of the solenoid and z is the distance from the forward center to the point P.
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## \tan \theta _1 = \frac{a}{z} ##
## \tan \theta _2 = \frac{a}{l+z}## where l is the length of the solenoid and z is the distance from the forward center to the point P.

My doubt is how ##\theta_1## going to become 0 and ##\theta_2## ##\pi## as the length of solenoid going to go to infinity. Please help me in seeing that.
 
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Adesh said:
My doubt is how ##\theta_1## going to become 0 and ##\theta_2## ##\pi## as the length of solenoid going to go to infinity. Please help me in seeing that.
In which expression would that be ?
 
BvU said:
In which expression would that be ?
Homework statement states the question. Should I write it in the main body?
 
Adesh said:
Find the magnetic field at point P on the axis of a tightly wound solenoid
So I expect you have an expression for the magnetic field at a point P in terms of ##I, n, a, l## and ##z##, but expressed in ##I, n, \theta_1## and ##\theta_2##. Post what you have worked out so far.

If the length of the coil is increased on both sides, ##l## and ##z## will go to infinity and P will be enveloped by the coil. What happens to ##\theta_1## and ##\theta_2## as 'defined' in the picture ?
 
BvU said:
So I expect you have an expression for the magnetic field at a point P in terms of ##I, n, a, l## and ##z##, but expressed in ##I, n, \theta_1## and ##\theta_2##. Post what you have worked out so far.

If the length of the coil is increased on both sides, ##l## and ##z## will go to infinity and P will be enveloped by the coil. What happens to ##\theta_1## and ##\theta_2## as 'defined' in the picture ?
I have done it. My mistake was that I was considering that P will always be out of the solenoid at a distance of z but later I realized that P is fixed and as we increase the length of solenoid P will inside of it.
 
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