Calculating the Speed of a Block After a Bullet Collision

[huynhtn2]

Homework Statement

When a bullet strikes a block of wood originally at rest, the bullet becomes embedded into the wood block which travels 1.70 m after the collision. If the mass of the bullet is 5.26 g and the mass of the block is 2.40 kg, what is the speed of the block immediately after the collision? The coefficient of kinetic friction between the block and the surface is 0.30.

Homework Equations

p=mv
f=dp/dt
m1v1 + m2 v2 = m1u1 + m2u2

The Attempt at a Solution

m1v1 + m2 v2 = m1u1 + m2u2
(0.00526)v1 = (0.00536)u1 + (2.4)u2

 

[PhanthomJay]

This is a totally inelastic collision where the block and bullet move, after the collision , together as one mass with a common speed. Then you'll need another equation or two to solve for that speed.

 

[huynhtn2]

This is a totally inelastic collision where the block and bullet move, after the collision , together as one mass with a common speed. Then you'll need another equation or two to solve for that speed.

So i got mvi = (M + m)vf
and 0.5mv^2=kfriction
vf= 2.43 m/s
then i plugged that into the first equation for vf and solved for vi, is this correctÉ

 

[Xerxes1986]

You can't use conservation of momentum because they didn't give you the initial OR the final velocities in the problem. Sure it would work if you had that information, but because you don't you have to approach the problem a little differently. Think about it from an energy perspective. Right after the collision the block and bullet have some velocity v_{i} and therefore some Kinetic Energy \frac{1}{2}mv^{2}_{i}. Then the block travels some distance on the table to a final position 1.70m from start and stops. This means that you have lost all that kinetic energy. It had to go somewhere...(hint, Work due to friction)

 

[Parbat]

You can't use conservation of momentum because they didn't give you the initial OR the final velocities in the problem. Sure it would work if you had that information, but because you don't you have to approach the problem a little differently. Think about it from an energy perspective. Right after the collision the block and bullet have some velocity v_{i} and therefore some Kinetic Energy \frac{1}{2}mv^{2}_{i}. Then the block travels some distance on the table to a final position 1.70m from start and stops. This means that you have lost all that kinetic energy. It had to go somewhere...(hint, Work due to friction)

u r right.the energy in the bullet is used to take the block & the bullet 1.70 m ahead.
so u can equate the kinetic energy of bullet & work done by "bullet & block" to travel 1.70 m against friction.
use: Kfriction=coefficient of friction * weight of (block+bullet)
& 0.5 mv^2=Kfriction*1.70

 

[huynhtn2]

u r right.the energy in the bullet is used to take the block & the bullet 1.70 m ahead.
so u can equate the kinetic energy of bullet & work done by "bullet & block" to travel 1.70 m against friction.
use: Kfriction=coefficient of friction * weight of (block+bullet)
& 0.5 mv^2=Kfriction*1.70

Ke = Ffriction
0.5mv^2= uk mg
v= square root (2(9.81)(0.3))
v= 2.43 m/s

i don't know what to do with the 1.70 m distance

 

[Parbat]

Ke = Ffriction
0.5mv^2= uk mg
v= square root (2(9.81)(0.3))
v= 2.43 m/s

i don't know what to do with the 1.70 m distance

that's there:
0.5mv^2=Kfriction*1.70
u see that?

 

[ghostanime2001]

I am a little confused about this statement:
"When a bullet strikes a block of wood originally at rest, the bullet becomes embedded into the wood block which travels 1.70 m after the collision."

Do they mean the bullet + wood block system move 1.70 m after the collision ? OR the bullet travels 1.70 m inside the wood block and the bullet and wood block move together at the same time as the bullet is getting further embedded into the wood block ?

Please clarify.