# Calculating the torque of the Laplace force on this coil

• merdeka
In summary, the Laplace force for each value of α is 0.6sin(α) N and the torque at angle α is 2.5Fα N.m. The number of turns in the coil affects the forces and thus the overall torque. The total torque must take into account the N current carrying wires on both sides of the frame. It is important to draw the direction of the force on each section of wire to obtain the correct expression for the torque. The number of coils is proportional to the strength of the electromagnetic field. The meaning of "spires" may refer to "loops" or "turns" of wire in a coil. The rotation axis, x'Ox, goes through the center of the
merdeka
Homework Statement
A non-deformable movable frame with square sides ##a = 30## cm has ##N = 20## spires with an electric current ##i = 5## A flowing through them. The frame is placed in a magnetic field ##\vec{B}##, with ##B = 0.4## T where the field lines make an angle ##\alpha_{i}## with the plane of the mobile frame.

What is the moment (torque) of the couples ##C_i## of the electromagnetic forces in the rotation axis ##x\prime Ox## for the four proposed values ##\alpha_i = \{0, \frac{\pi}{3}, \frac{\pi}{2}, \pi\}##?
Relevant Equations
##\mathbf{F} = i \boldsymbol{\ell} \times \mathbf{B}##
##F = i \ell B \sin(\alpha)##

We first determine the Laplace force for each value ##\alpha##.

$$F_{\alpha} = 5(0.3)(0.4)\sin(\alpha) = 0.6\sin(\alpha) \ \text{N}$$

We then calculate the torque at angle ##\alpha##.

$$\tau_{\alpha} = \frac{a}{2} F_{\alpha} = 2.5 F_{\alpha} \ \text{N.m}$$

Then we just plug in ##\alpha## and we should three different values (since ##\sin(0) = \sin(\pi) = 0##). But I don't understand why the numbers of spires/coils is noted here, I have the notion that the strength of the electomagnetic field is proportional to the number of coils but we haven't reached that point in class, yet. The teacher I have is very poor when it comes to correcting questions, let alone explain them. Can anyone help me understand?

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merdeka said:
We first determine the Laplace force for each value ##\alpha##.

$$F_{\alpha} = 5(0.3)(0.4)\sin(\alpha) = 0.6\sin(\alpha) \ \text{N}$$
What force is this? Is it the force acting on some particular part of the square? If so, which part?

We then calculate the torque at angle ##\alpha##.

$$\tau_{\alpha} = \frac{a}{2} F_{\alpha} = 2.5 F_{\alpha} \ \text{N.m}$$
What torque is this? Have you obtained the net torque due to all of the forces acting on all of the straight sections of wire? It is important to draw the direction of the force on each section of wire if you are going to get the correct expression for the torque about axis ##xOx'## due to the force.

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merdeka said:
Homework Statement: A non-deformable movable frame with square sides ##a = 30## cm has ##N = 20## spires with an electric current ##i = 5## A flowing through them. The frame is placed in a magnetic field ##\vec{B}##, with ##B = 0.4## T where the field lines make an angle ##\alpha_{i}## with the plane of the mobile frame.

What is the moment (torque) of the couples ##C_i## of the electromagnetic forces in the rotation axis ##x\prime Ox## for the four proposed values ##\alpha_i = \{0, \frac{\pi}{3}, \frac{\pi}{2}, \pi\}##?
Homework Equations: ##\mathbf{F} = i \boldsymbol{\ell} \times \mathbf{B}##
##F = i \ell B \sin(\alpha)##

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We first determine the Laplace force for each value ##\alpha##.

$$F_{\alpha} = 5(0.3)(0.4)\sin(\alpha) = 0.6\sin(\alpha) \ \text{N}$$

We then calculate the torque at angle ##\alpha##.

$$\tau_{\alpha} = \frac{a}{2} F_{\alpha} = 2.5 F_{\alpha} \ \text{N.m}$$
Could you explain where that "2.5" came from? Isn't $a = 0.3 \ \mathrm{m}$ here?

Then we just plug in ##\alpha## and we should three different values (since ##\sin(0) = \sin(\pi) = 0##). But I don't understand why the numbers of spires/coils is noted here, I have the notion that the strength of the electomagnetic field is proportional to the number of coils but we haven't reached that point in class, yet. The teacher I have is very poor when it comes to correcting questions, let alone explain them. Can anyone help me understand?

The number of turns in the coil do affect the forces, and thus the overall torque. For example, if you had two current carrying wires right next to each other, together they would (together) produce twice the force of a single current carrying wire, all else the same (same current in the each, single wire; same magnetic field, etc.) Each section of wire contributes its own force.

Also, if you are meant to calculate the total torque, don't forget that not only do you have $N$ current carrying wires on one side, but also another $N$ current carrying wires on the other side of the frame (carrying current in the opposite direction).

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A couple of other thoughts:

I'm not familiar with the use of the word "spire" in this situation. I'm assuming you mean "loop" or "turn" of the wire in a coil. But that's an assumption on my part. If I'm incorrect here, I apologize. It might be a translation thing.

Also, I'm not quite sure how to interpret the meaning of "Couples $C_i$." Does that represent a single section of wire of length $a$, or instead a single loop of wire?

Also, I'm not quite sure how to interpret the "rotation axis $x'Ox.$" I assume that means the axis of rotation goes through the center of the loop, parallel to the plane of the loop.

collinsmark said:
Could you explain where that "2.5" came from? Isn't $a = 0.3 \ \mathrm{m}$ here?
The number of turns in the coil do affect the forces, and thus the overall torque. For example, if you had two current carrying wires right next to each other, together they would (together) produce twice the force of a single current carrying wire, all else the same (same current in the each, single wire; same magnetic field, etc.) Each section of wire contributes its own force.

Also, if you are meant to calculate the total torque, don't forget that not only do you have $N$ current carrying wires on one side, but also another $N$ current carrying wires on the other side of the frame (carrying current in the opposite direction).

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A couple of other thoughts:

I'm not familiar with the use of the word "spire" in this situation. I'm assuming you mean "loop" or "turn" of the wire in a coil. But that's an assumption on my part. If I'm incorrect here, I apologize. It might be a translation thing.

Also, I'm not quite sure how to interpret the meaning of "Couples $C_i$." Does that represent a single section of wire of length $a$, or instead a single loop of wire?

Also, I'm not quite sure how to interpret the "rotation axis $x'Ox.$" I assume that means the axis of rotation goes through the center of the loop, parallel to the plane of the loop.
My apologies it's ##\frac{0.3}{2}=0.15 \ \text{m}##.

## 5. Are there any other factors that can affect the torque calculation for the Laplace force on a coil?

Yes, in addition to the number of turns, the strength of the current, the area of the coil, and the strength of the magnetic field can also affect the torque calculation. Additionally, the angle between the current and the magnetic field can also play a role in the magnitude and direction of the torque.

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