Calculating Time Difference in Pursuit Situations

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The discussion revolves around calculating time differences in pursuit scenarios involving two characters, Sven and Margo, as they attempt to reach a target, Ursula. The problem involves understanding their respective paths and velocities, with a focus on forming equations that describe their movements in a coordinate system.

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  • Participants explore the equations of motion for both Sven and Margo, questioning how to represent their paths mathematically. There is a discussion about using circles to represent Margo's potential positions over time and the implications of Sven's trajectory towards Ursula.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, sharing hints and equations while expressing confusion about certain aspects, particularly regarding the setup of equations for Sven's movement. Some have proposed methods involving differential equations, while others are still trying to clarify their understanding of the problem.

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There are indications of confusion regarding the identities of the characters and their respective paths, which may affect the clarity of the discussion. Additionally, some participants express uncertainty about solving second-order differential equations, which is a key aspect of the problem.

  • #31
Curious3141 said:
I'm curious (like my name suggests), but if you didn't solve that d.e., how exactly did you arrive at the time for Sven? I solved that d.e., and that's how I found that time. That curve I plotted is exact, and uses that equation.

I did solve the D.E but when I plot the result, it doesn't look like your sketch. Solving the D.E and using x=100, y=0
y=\frac{1}{30}(x-300)\sqrt{x}+100
but plotting this on Wolfram Alpha doesn't give the sketch as shown in your attachment for Sven's path.

EDIT: Got it, I have some mistakes in the above equation. It should be 200/3 instead of 100. Thank you! :smile:
 
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  • #32
Fwiw, I felt this question might be easier using local coordinates.
u = pursuer's speed, v = target's speed, s = distance between them, theta = angle between their current directions. Initially (s, theta) = (L, pi/2).
##s \dot \theta = - v \sin \theta ##, ## \dot s = v \cos \theta - u ##
Whence ## \frac{\dot s}s = \frac{\dot \theta}{\sin \theta} ( \frac uv - \cos \theta)##
## \ln s = \frac u{2v} \ln \left(\frac{1-\cos\theta}{1+\cos\theta}\right) + \ln L ##
## s = \frac L{\sin\theta}\left(\frac{1-\cos\theta}{1+\cos\theta}\right)^{\frac u{2v}}##
Using (1) again: ##\dot \theta \frac L{\sin^2\theta}\left(\frac{1-\cos\theta}{1+\cos\theta}\right)^{\frac u{2v}} = - v ##
Since u = 2v,
## vT = L\int_0^{\pi/2} \frac{(1-\cos \theta).d\theta}{(1+\cos\theta)\sin^2\theta}##
## = L\int^{\pi/2}_0 \frac{d\theta}{(1+\cos\theta)^2}##
Writing 2x = theta
## = L\int^{\pi/4}_0 \frac{dx}{2 \cos^4x}##
## = L\frac16 \left[\tan^3x+3\tan x\right]^{\pi/4}_0 = 2L/3##
 
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  • #33
haruspex said:
##s \dot \theta = - v \sin \theta ##, ## \dot s = v \cos \theta - u ##

Sorry but I really can't follow this, can you please explain how you got those two equations? :confused:

##\dot{s}## represents the velocity but how do you get the RHS of the second equation? And I don't have any idea about the first equation. ##s\dot{\theta}## has dimensions of velocity but I am confused.
 
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Pranav-Arora said:
Sorry but I really can't follow this, can you please explain how you got those two equations? :confused:

##\dot{s}## represents the velocity but how do you get the RHS of the second equation? And I don't have any idea about the first equation. ##s\dot{\theta}## has dimensions of angular velocity but I am confused.
In the line joining the two, target is moving away from pursuer with speed v cos θ, while pursuer advances with speed u: ##\dot s=vcosθ−u##. In the perpendicular direction, the target moves with speed ##v \sin \theta##. From the pursuer's perspective that's a tangential speed, tending to reduce theta. The 'radius' is s: ##v \sin \theta = -s \dot \theta## (as in the familiar v = rω).
 
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  • #35
haruspex said:
In the line joining the two, target is moving away from pursuer with speed v cos θ, while pursuer advances with speed u: ##\dot s=vcosθ−u##. In the perpendicular direction, the target moves with speed ##v \sin \theta##. From the pursuer's perspective that's a tangential speed, tending to reduce theta. The 'radius' is s: ##v \sin \theta = -s \dot \theta## (as in the familiar v = rω).

Thanks a lot haruspex! :smile:
 

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