Calculating Time Difference in Pursuit Situations

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The discussion focuses on calculating the time difference between two characters, Margo and Sven, in a pursuit scenario using differential equations. Margo travels in a linear path at a speed of 2 m/s, while Sven's trajectory involves a time-varying circular path centered at (100,0). The participants derive equations for both characters, ultimately determining that Margo's time to intercept is approximately 100/√3 seconds, while Sven's time is 200/3 seconds, resulting in a difference of about 9 seconds.

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Curious3141 said:
I'm curious (like my name suggests), but if you didn't solve that d.e., how exactly did you arrive at the time for Sven? I solved that d.e., and that's how I found that time. That curve I plotted is exact, and uses that equation.

I did solve the D.E but when I plot the result, it doesn't look like your sketch. Solving the D.E and using x=100, y=0
y=\frac{1}{30}(x-300)\sqrt{x}+100
but plotting this on Wolfram Alpha doesn't give the sketch as shown in your attachment for Sven's path.

EDIT: Got it, I have some mistakes in the above equation. It should be 200/3 instead of 100. Thank you! :smile:
 
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Fwiw, I felt this question might be easier using local coordinates.
u = pursuer's speed, v = target's speed, s = distance between them, theta = angle between their current directions. Initially (s, theta) = (L, pi/2).
##s \dot \theta = - v \sin \theta ##, ## \dot s = v \cos \theta - u ##
Whence ## \frac{\dot s}s = \frac{\dot \theta}{\sin \theta} ( \frac uv - \cos \theta)##
## \ln s = \frac u{2v} \ln \left(\frac{1-\cos\theta}{1+\cos\theta}\right) + \ln L ##
## s = \frac L{\sin\theta}\left(\frac{1-\cos\theta}{1+\cos\theta}\right)^{\frac u{2v}}##
Using (1) again: ##\dot \theta \frac L{\sin^2\theta}\left(\frac{1-\cos\theta}{1+\cos\theta}\right)^{\frac u{2v}} = - v ##
Since u = 2v,
## vT = L\int_0^{\pi/2} \frac{(1-\cos \theta).d\theta}{(1+\cos\theta)\sin^2\theta}##
## = L\int^{\pi/2}_0 \frac{d\theta}{(1+\cos\theta)^2}##
Writing 2x = theta
## = L\int^{\pi/4}_0 \frac{dx}{2 \cos^4x}##
## = L\frac16 \left[\tan^3x+3\tan x\right]^{\pi/4}_0 = 2L/3##
 
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  • #33
haruspex said:
##s \dot \theta = - v \sin \theta ##, ## \dot s = v \cos \theta - u ##

Sorry but I really can't follow this, can you please explain how you got those two equations? :confused:

##\dot{s}## represents the velocity but how do you get the RHS of the second equation? And I don't have any idea about the first equation. ##s\dot{\theta}## has dimensions of velocity but I am confused.
 
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Pranav-Arora said:
Sorry but I really can't follow this, can you please explain how you got those two equations? :confused:

##\dot{s}## represents the velocity but how do you get the RHS of the second equation? And I don't have any idea about the first equation. ##s\dot{\theta}## has dimensions of angular velocity but I am confused.
In the line joining the two, target is moving away from pursuer with speed v cos θ, while pursuer advances with speed u: ##\dot s=vcosθ−u##. In the perpendicular direction, the target moves with speed ##v \sin \theta##. From the pursuer's perspective that's a tangential speed, tending to reduce theta. The 'radius' is s: ##v \sin \theta = -s \dot \theta## (as in the familiar v = rω).
 
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haruspex said:
In the line joining the two, target is moving away from pursuer with speed v cos θ, while pursuer advances with speed u: ##\dot s=vcosθ−u##. In the perpendicular direction, the target moves with speed ##v \sin \theta##. From the pursuer's perspective that's a tangential speed, tending to reduce theta. The 'radius' is s: ##v \sin \theta = -s \dot \theta## (as in the familiar v = rω).

Thanks a lot haruspex! :smile:
 

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