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The problem involves calculating the torque and friction for a 4-wheel drive car with a specified mass and acceleration. The car accelerates from rest to a speed of 100 km/h over a period of 3.40 seconds, with certain assumptions about resistance and wheel dynamics. The discussion includes calculations related to torque, static friction, and kinetic energy, focusing on the mechanics of the system.

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  • Participants discuss the calculations for torque required for each wheel and question the values obtained, particularly regarding the mass used in the moment of inertia and the overall torque needed for acceleration.
  • Some participants suggest recalculating torque and kinetic energy, while others raise concerns about the appropriateness of the values derived and the assumptions made in the calculations.
  • There are inquiries about the relationship between linear acceleration and angular velocity, as well as the need to account for the rotational kinetic energy of the wheels.
  • Several participants express confusion over the calculations and seek clarification on the formulas used, particularly in relation to the total kinetic energy of the car and wheels.

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The discussion is ongoing, with various participants providing recalculations and alternative approaches. Some guidance has been offered regarding the need for detailed calculations and the importance of considering both the torque for wheel rotation and the torque required to move the vehicle. There is no explicit consensus on the correct values, and multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored.

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Participants are working under the constraints of a homework assignment, which may limit the information available for calculations. The problem states that the mass of the wheels is included in the total mass of the car, which has led to some confusion in the calculations presented.

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1. Homework Statement

A 4-wheel drive car of mass M = 2100 kg accelerates from rest to 100 km/h

in 3.40 seconds, and we will assume that the acceleration is constant. In the

following, ignore resistance from the air and the rolling friction of the wheels

against the surface. The wheels are rolling without sliding, and they have

a diameter of D = 50.0 cm. Each wheel has a mass of m = 18.0 kg, and

has a moment of inertia around their centre of mass corresponding to a disc,

I = 1/2mR2. The mass of the wheels is included in the total 2100 kg. The

wheels are taken to be identical and carry the same amount of weight. The

gravitational constant is g = 9.80 m/s2.

a) What is the required torque that the engine has to provide for each wheel,

to have this acceleration? Provide both the algebraic expression, and the

numerical result.
b) What is the required coefficient of static friction between road and wheel,

to avoid spinning? Provide both the algebraic expression, and the numerical

result.

c) What is the total kinetic energy of the car as it reaches 100 km/h?

The Attempt at a Solution


Can somebody check on my solutions, All answers appreciated![/B]
a)
a=(vf-vi)/(tf-ti)=8.17 m/s^2
F=ma=17157 N
F=mrα
α=F/MR=32.68 rad/s^2
τ= Iα=1/2mR^2*α= 2144.63 N*m
τ/4=536.16 N*m

b)
μ=a/g=0.834

c) this is how far i got
K=1/2Mv^2=29166.7 J
 
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Haveagoodday said:
a)
a=(vf-vi)/(tf-ti)=8.17 m/s^2
F=ma=17157 N
F=mrα
α=F/MR=32.68 rad/s^2
τ= Iα=1/2mR^2*α= 2144.63 N*m
τ/4=536.16 N*m
The linear and angular accelerations look fine, as does the net force for the linear acceleration. But I'm not seeing how you arrived at that value of torque with the given values. It looks as though you've used the mass of the whole vehicle in the expression for the rotational inertia of a wheel, and I don't see how you've accommodated the torque that's required to provide the linear acceleration of the vehicle.
b)
μ=a/g=0.834

c) this is how far i got
K=1/2Mv^2=29166.7 J
What about the rotational KE of the wheels?
 
gneill said:
The linear and angular accelerations look fine, as does the net force for the linear acceleration. But I'm not seeing how you arrived at that value of torque with the given values. It looks as though you've used the mass of the whole vehicle in the expression for the rotational inertia of a wheel, and I don't see how you've accommodated the torque that's required to provide the linear acceleration of the vehicle.

I have recalculated and i got 0.5625 Nm as the torque that the engine has to provide for each wheel, is this correct?
 
I have recalculated and i got 0.5625 Nm as the torque that the engine has to provide for each wheel, is this correct?
 
Haveagoodday said:
I have recalculated and i got 0.5625 Nm as the torque that the engine has to provide for each wheel, is this correct?
It doesn't look likely to me. That's a pretty small torque to be responsible for moving the vehicle and spinning up the wheels. I'd expect something closer to a thousand Nm per wheel. Can you show your calculations in detail?
 
gneill said:
The linear and angular accelerations look fine, as does the net force for the linear acceleration. But I'm not seeing how you arrived at that value of torque with the given values. It looks as though you've used the mass of the whole vehicle in the expression for the rotational inertia of a wheel, and I don't see how you've accommodated the torque that's required to provide the linear acceleration of the vehicle.

What about the rotational KE of the wheels?
for c i now got 1264074.1J?
 
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gneill said:
It doesn't look likely to me. That's a pretty small torque to be responsible for moving the vehicle and spinning up the wheels. I'd expect something closer to a thousand Nm per wheel. Can you show your calculations in detail?
i use this equation
T=Ia
mR^2*a/2
(18kg*0.25^2*32.68)/2
i actually get 18.3825 Nm
 
Haveagoodday said:
for c i now got 824074.1 J?
That looks like a reasonable value, although it needs to be trimmed to the appropriate number of significant figures.

Haveagoodday said:
i use this equation
T=Ia
mR^2*a/2
(18kg*0.25^2*32.68)/2
i actually get 18.3825 Nm
That would account for the torque required to accelerate one wheel if it were free to rotate and that was the only torque involved. But the wheel is touching the ground and "pushing" the car forward. So there's another torque. Perhaps you should draw a free body diagram of a wheel showing the engine's torque and the torque due to the road/wheel interface.
 
How did you end up with c) 824,1 kJ?

I think this formula is correct? K = 0.5*I*w^2+0,5*Mv^2 ?
(0,5*0,56*8,18^2+0,5*2100*27,8^2 = 811,50kJ)
I don't get the same solution as 824,1kJ
 
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jimjames said:
How did you end up with c) 824,1 kJ?

I think this formula is correct? K = 0.5*I*w^2+0,5*Mv^2 ?
(0,5*0,56*8,18^2+0,5*2100*27,8^2 = 811,50kJ)
I don't get the same solution as 824,1kJ
How did you determine your value for ω? Also, keep in mind that there are four wheels.
 
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I used w=a = 8,18

The correct formula should be? 0,5*m*v^2 for car and (0,5*I*w^2+0,5*M*v^2) *4 for wheels
Car = 810,31kJ
Wheels = (0,5*18*27,78^2+0,5*0,56*8,18^2) *4 = 27,86kJ
 
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jimjames said:
I used w=a = 8,18

The correct formula should be? 0,5*m*v^2 for car and (0,5*I*w^2+0,5*M*v^2) *4 for wheels
ω is not the same as a. a is the linear acceleration, while ω is the angular velocity. Totally different beasts. You should be able to determine ω from the final velocity (100 kph) of the vehicle and the dimensions of the wheels.

Also, the problem states that the masses of the wheels are included in the 2100 kg of the car, so no need to write a separate linear KE expression for their individual masses.
 
  • #14
w = v/r = 27,78/0,25 = 111,12

0,5*2028*27,78^2=782,53kJ
(0,5*0,56*111,12^2 + 0,5*18*27,78^2)*4 = 41,6kJ

= 824,13 kJ
 
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I added T(to make wheel spin) and T(to make car move). And got: btw a= alpha here
T(total) = T(wheel) + T(car) = (1/2*4m*r^2*a) + (M*r^2*a) = 73.53+4289.25 = 4362.78
Divide this by 4 and the torque for each wheel is 1090.70Nm.
Can anyone tell me if this is correct?
 
  • #16
Haakon said:
I added T(to make wheel spin) and T(to make car move). And got: btw a= alpha here
T(total) = T(wheel) + T(car) = (1/2*4m*r^2*a) + (M*r^2*a) = 73.53+4289.25 = 4362.78
Divide this by 4 and the torque for each wheel is 1090.70Nm.
Can anyone tell me if this is correct?
what angular a are you using?
 
  • #17
Haakon said:
...the torque for each wheel is 1090.70Nm.

Looks good.

Haveagoodday said:
what angular a are you using?

Should be your 32.68 rad/s2 from part a).
 
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