Calculating Total Charge on a Disk with Varying Charge Density

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The problem involves calculating the total charge on a disk with a specific charge density defined as σ(x,y) = x + y + x² + y², where the disk is described by the inequality x² + y² ≤ 4. Participants are exploring the integration process in polar coordinates to find the total charge.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the integration process in polar coordinates, questioning the correctness of limits and the conversion. There are inquiries about the validity of the original poster's answer of 8π and whether any errors exist in their calculations.

Discussion Status

Some participants express confidence in the original poster's result of 8π, while others suggest reviewing the integration steps for potential errors. There is an ongoing examination of the terms that drop out during integration, particularly those involving sine and cosine.

Contextual Notes

There is a lack of clarity regarding the original question posed by the original poster, leading to some confusion among participants. The discussion also highlights the importance of understanding the behavior of the charge density function across the disk.

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Electric charge is distributed over a disk x^2+Y^2<=4 so that the charge density at (x,y) is

o(x,y)= x+y+x^2+y^2

what is the total charge on the disk

so I change to polar and get (rcos +rsin +r^2)rdrdtheta
and my limits go from 0 to 2pi and 0 to 2

for my answer i got 8 pi I am just wondering if that is right
 
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What's the question?
 
He wants to know if he's correct in his answer.
 
Char. Limit said:
He wants to know if he's correct in his answer.

zhermes wants to know what was the question that Punkyc7 was answering when Punkyc7 asked if the answer was correct.

That's a valid inquiry by zhermes.
 
I would guess that Punkyc7 was asking if [itex]8\pi[/itex] is the total charge on the disc- though he did not specfically say that.

Punkyc7, I do NOT get [itex]8\pi[/itex]. Show us what you did and we will decide which of us made a mistake.
 
my question was it it correct, for the total charge on the disk


any ways

i integrated with respect to r and gotr^4/4+(r^3/3)cos+(+(r^3/3)sin evaluated from 0 to2



so i got 4+8/3 cos +8/3 sin and then i evaluted with respect to theta and got

8pi +8/3 sin-8/3 cos evaluated from 0 to 2pi


sin drops out and -8/3 -(8/3) drops out

so 8 pi that how i got my answer, i guess my question now is where did i go wrong
 
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is it in my limits or in my conversion to polar
 
The cos(θ) term also drops out.

cos(2π) = cos(0)
 
I don't think there's any error. I get 8pi. The sin and cos terms both integrate to zero. So you've got just r^3*dr*dtheta. Looks like 8pi to me.
 
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Dick said:
I don't think there's any error. I get 8pi. The sin and cos terms both integrate to zero. So you've got just r^3*dr*dtheta. Looks like 8pi to me.
Absolutely correct. To elaborate a little... Punkyc7: if you look at the part of the equation, o(x,y)= x, this will be positive on one half of the disk, and just as much negative on the opposite side of the disk. Therefore the total is zero. The same argument applies to o(x,y) = y. Thus, as SammyS and dick point out, both of those terms fall out of the integral.

Char. Limit said:
He wants to know if he's correct in his answer.
That's outrageously helpful, thanks.
 
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zhermes said:
That's outrageously helpful, thanks.

Sorry that my attempt at answering your question fell so short of what you wanted. I'll be sure to try so much harder in the future.
 

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