Calculating Total Energy of A and B Nuclei in Center of Mass Frame

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The problem involves calculating the total energy of two colliding nuclei, A and B, in the center of mass frame. Nucleus A has a rest mass of m_A and is moving with energy E greater than its rest mass energy, while nucleus B is stationary. The goal is to express the total energy in terms of the masses and energy involved.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the definition of the center of mass frame and its relation to the motion of the nuclei. Various attempts to calculate velocities and energies in this frame are presented, with some questioning the validity of the momentum relationships in the center of mass frame.

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Multiple approaches to the problem are being explored, with some participants providing calculations for velocities and energies. There is an ongoing inquiry into the implications of the collision and the conditions necessary for reactions to occur, though no consensus has been reached on the interpretations or calculations presented.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of relativistic energy and momentum, with some expressing confusion about specific terms and conditions related to the collision and subsequent reactions. The discussion includes references to minimum energy requirements for reactions and the implications of conservation laws in the center of mass frame.

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Homework Statement



Nucleus A,which has rest mass [tex]m_A[/tex],collides with nucleus B,which has rest mass [tex]m_B[/tex].In the laboratory frame,nucleus A has energy [tex]E>m_Ac^2[/tex]
abd nucleus B is stationery.Find the total energy of the system in center of mass frame in terms of [tex]m_A,m_B and E[/tex].



The Attempt at a Solution



What's the center of mass frame?Is it a frame of nucleus A?
 
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Consider the frame in which the total spatial momentum is zero.
 
Is it a center of two nuclei?
 
Then check my solution.
Velocity of A in labframe is
[tex]v=c\sqrt{1-(\frac{m_Ac^2}{E-m_Ac^2})^2}[/tex]
velocity of center of mass
[tex]v_c=\frac{m_Av}{m_A+m_B}[/tex]

In frame which moves with velocity v_c,nucleus A has velocity

[tex]v'_A=\frac{v-v_c}{1-\frac{vv_c}{c^2}}[/tex].And nucleus B has velocity [tex]v'_B=v_c[/tex].So the total energy in this frame is

[tex]E'=\gamma(v'_A)m_Ac^2+\gamma(v'_B)m_Bc^2[/tex]
 
I think from the frame moving with velocity v_c,velocities for A and B arer true.But as seems to me [tex]m_Av_A\neq m_Bv_B[/tex] in this frame.
 
Here I tried another solution:

[tex]E'=\sqrt{(E+m_Bc^2)^2-E^2+m_A^2c^4}[/tex]
 
azatkgz said:
Here I tried another solution:

[tex]E'=\sqrt{(E+m_Bc^2)^2-E^2+m_A^2c^4}[/tex]

Looks right to me.
 
Thanks very much.

And ,if after colission reaction occurs [tex]A+B\rightarrowC+D+Q[/tex].[tex]m_A+m_B=m_C+m_D+Q[/tex].Is it

[tex]E'^2=(m_Cc^2+m_Dc^2+Q)^2[/tex] ? For E minimum
 
azatkgz said:
Thanks very much.

And ,if after colission reaction occurs [tex]A+B\rightarrowC+D+Q[/tex].[tex]m_A+m_B=m_C+m_D+Q[/tex].Is it

[tex]E'^2=(m_Cc^2+m_Dc^2+Q)^2[/tex] ? For E minimum

I don't understand. What is the question asking for?
 
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Oh,sorry.After collision reaction occurs [tex]A+B\rightarrow C+D[/tex].Suppose that

[tex]m_A+m_B=m_C+m_D+Q[/tex].Find the minumum E for reaction to occur?And I think that in center of mass frame after reaction total momentum is zero.
 
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azatkgz said:
Oh,sorry.After collision reaction occurs [tex]A+B\rightarrow C+D[/tex].Suppose that

[tex]m_A+m_B=m_C+m_D+Q[/tex].Find the minumum E for reaction to occur?And I think that in center of mass frame after reaction total momentum is zero.

sorry. still a little confused. what does Q represent here?
 

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