Calculating values of impedance in a series/parallel circuit

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating impedance values in series and parallel circuits, specifically focusing on the equations and methods for determining equivalent impedance (Zeq), total current (IT), reactance (XL1, XL2), and voltages across components (VR1, VR2, VL1, VL2). Participants are seeking clarification on the correct equations and methodologies to apply in their calculations.

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  • Homework-related
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion over calculating values for a series and parallel circuit and requests assistance with the correct equations.
  • Another participant confirms the formula for Zeq as Zeq = sqrt(RT^2 + XL^2), where XL is the sum of XL1 and XL2, and introduces the concept of complex impedances.
  • Complex impedance is described as Zeq = (R1 + R2) + jω(L1 + L2), with j representing the imaginary unit and ω as the angular frequency.
  • It is suggested that using complex values simplifies calculations for voltages, currents, and phases.
  • Clarifications are provided regarding the calculation of currents (IR1, IR2, IL1, IL2) as Vs/Zeq for series circuits.
  • Participants discuss the meaning of j and ω, with one participant expressing newfound understanding after receiving explanations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the use of complex impedances for calculations, but there is no consensus on the specific equations to use, as one participant is still uncertain about the correct approach and terminology.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the definitions and applications of complex impedance, and there are unresolved questions regarding the specific equations for calculating current in parallel circuits.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for students learning about circuit analysis, particularly those struggling with the concepts of impedance, reactance, and the application of complex numbers in electrical engineering.

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Homework Statement


Hello everyone, I have recently come under some stress from not being able to get these answers correct. I need to calculate these values:
  1. Zeq
  2. IT
  3. XL2
  4. XL1
  5. VR1
  6. VR2
  7. VL1
  8. VL2
For this series circuit:


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And these values:
  1. Zeq
  2. IT
  3. XL2
  4. XL1
  5. IR1
  6. IR2
  7. IL1
  8. IL2
For this parallel circuit:

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Homework Equations


I have been using these equations, but I am told that they are incorrect. My professor will not indicate what the correct equations are and I cannot find them in my textbook or online. Any help would be appreciated.

Zeq = sqrt(RT^2+XL^2) where XL is both values of XL1 and XL2 added together.
IT = Vs/ZT This is where I get confused, is ZT the same as Zeq?
XL2 = (2*pi*Frequency*L2)
XL1 = (2*pi*Frequency*L1)
VR1 = (R1/RT)*Vs
VR2 = (R2/RT)*Vs
VL1 = (L1/LT)*Vs Where LT is L1 and L2 added together.
VL2= (L2/LT)*Vs
IR1= I could not find the equation for this value.
IR2 = I could not find the equation for this value.
IL1 = Vs/L1
IL2 = Vs/L2

The Attempt at a Solution


Here are the values that I came up with for the series circuit:

Phase = -tan((942.48+502.65)/100) = 86.04 degrees.
a. Zeq = 15Vrms / .03333A = 450ohms
b, It = 15Vrms/450ohms = 33.33mA∠-86.04 degrees
c. XL1 = (2*pi*1000Hz*.150H) = 942.48ohms
d. XL2 = (2*pi*1000Hz*.08) = 502.65ohms
e. VR1 = 150ohms/450ohms * 15Vrms = 5Vrms ∠0 degrees
f. VR2 = 300ohms/450ohms * 15Vrms = 10Vrms ∠0 degrees
g. VL1 = .08H/.23H * 15Vrms = 5.22Vrms ∠-90 degrees
h. VL2 = .150/.23H * 15Vrms = 9.78Vrms ∠-90 degrees And here are the values I came up with for the parallel circuit: a. Zeq = 15Vrms / .03333 = 450ohms
b. IT = 33.33mA ∠-86.04 degrees
c. XL2 = (2*pi*1000Hz*.150H) = 942.48ohms
d. XL1 = (2*pi*1000Hz*.08H) = 502.65ohms
e. VR1 = 150ohms/450ohms * 15Vrms = 5Vrms ∠0 degrees
f. VR2 = 300ohms/450ohms * 15Vrms = 10Vrms ∠0 degrees
g. IL1 = 15Vrms/.08H = 187.5A.
h. IL2 = 15Vrms/.150H = 100A

Any help at all would be very, very much appreciated. I really cannot find the equations for the life of me, and it is frustrating.
 
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Rougarou22 said:
Zeq = sqrt(RT^2+XL^2) where XL is both values of XL1 and XL2 added together.
That's correct as for the absolute value of Zeq, ( | Zeq | ).

Are you not familiar with complex impedances ? Here is the value:

Zeq = ( R1+R2 ) + jω( L1+L2 )

You can calculate exactly like if all the impedances were ohmic, just using complex values instead of real values.

It will be much more easy ( your calculator will do the job ) to calculate voltages, current, phases, etc. using complex values:

As for the series connection, IR1 = IR2 = IL1 = IL2 = Vs / Zeq ( like I = V / R ).
 
Hesch said:
That's correct as for the absolute value of Zeq, ( | Zeq | ).

Are you not familiar with complex impedances ? Here is the value:

Zeq = ( R1+R2 ) + jω( L1+L2 )

You can calculate exactly like if all the impedances were ohmic, just using complex values instead of real values.

It will be much more easy ( your calculator will do the job ) to calculate voltages, current, phases, etc. using complex values:

As for the series connection, IR1 = IR2 = IL1 = IL2 = Vs / Zeq ( like I = V / R ).
Thank you very much for the reply! I am not familiar with complex impedances. In Zeq = (R1+R2) + jω(L1+L2), what values are "j" and "ω"? So IR1, IR2, IL1 and IL2 are all calculated by Vs/Zeq?
 
Rougarou22 said:
what values are "j" and "ω
j ( also called "i" ) is the imaginary operator: j2 = -1.
ω is the angular velocity in radians/sek. ( ω = 2πf ).
Rougarou22 said:
IR2, IL1 and IL2 are all calculated by Vs/Zeq?
Yes, through all components in series, the currents are identical ( Kirchhoffs 1. law, KCL ).

I'm sorry, I thought that the complex values of impedances was what your professor meant. But you will learn about these complex impedances. I promise.
 
Hesch said:
j ( also called "i" ) is the imaginary operator: j2 = -1.
ω is the angular velocity in radians/sek. ( ω = 2πf ).

Yes, through all components in series, the currents are identical ( Kirchhoffs 1. law, KCL ).

I'm sorry, I thought that the complex values of impedances was what your professor meant. But you will learn about these complex impedances. I promise.
Alright, everything makes much more sense now. Thank you very much for your help, I truly appreciate it!
 

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