Calculating Velocity and Distance for Ascending Double Cone on Rails

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The discussion revolves around the dynamics of a double cone rolling on inclined rails, focusing on the conditions for ascent and the calculations of velocity and distance. The double cone ascends due to a decrease in its center of mass height, with specific angle conditions outlined for stability. Participants explore the moment of inertia, derive the velocity function in relation to distance, and calculate maximum distance and velocity using energy conservation principles. There is significant debate about the relationship between distance rolled and potential energy, with suggestions to analyze the geometry of the cone's motion. The conversation also touches on the inaccuracies of assuming orthogonality between the cone's center of mass line and the rails during motion.
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Thank you.
The function for the left rail is y=tan(b/2)*x+tan(b/2)*d . Then we have the equations x2+z2=r(y)2
The conclusion would be x2+z2=(R-tan(a/2)*(tan(b/2)*x+tan(b/2)*d))2
I think z can be expressed by z(x)=tan(y)*x+tan(y)*d.
Back to the exercise: How I find out where the rail touches the double cone? And what will happen at A?
 
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franceboy said:
The conclusion would be x2+z2=(R-tan(a/2)*(tan(b/2)*x+tan(b/2)*d))2

I think this is correct. This equation gives the projection into the x-z plane of the intersection of the cone and the plane (containing the rail and parallel to the z-axis). This intersection is the purple curve in the figure. There are a couple of ways you can try to find the point of contact of the rail and the cone:

1.) Note that the point of contact is the point where z takes on a maximum value on the purple curve. So, what is ##dz/dx## at the point of contact?

or

2.) Rearrange your equation for the intersection into the form $$\frac{(x+x_0)^2}{A^2} + \frac{z^2}{B^2} = 1$$ for certain constants ##A##, ##B##, and ##x_0##. Interpret.
 

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Since z takes on it`s maximal value, z`(x)=0.
z(x)=root((R-tan(a/2)*(tan(b/2)*x+tan(b/2)*d))2 - x2)
I can solve the first equation with my calculator. Then I got the real x-value which differs from the x value of the center of mass.
What is the next step?
 

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