Calculating Velocity of Falling Grenade Fragments: Momentum Equation Solution

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The problem involves calculating the velocities of grenade fragments after an explosion, with the grenade initially falling from a height of 19.6 meters. The mass of one fragment is twice that of the other, and the discussion revolves around applying the conservation of momentum and resolving components of motion.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss resolving the masses into x and y components and applying momentum conservation principles. There are attempts to calculate velocities for both fragments, with some expressing uncertainty about the correctness of their arithmetic and assumptions regarding the explosion timing.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing their calculations and questioning the assumptions made about the problem setup. Some guidance has been offered regarding the need for clarity in the problem statement, particularly concerning the timing of the explosion.

Contextual Notes

There is ambiguity in the problem regarding whether the grenade explodes after falling the full 19.6 meters or at some point during the fall. This uncertainty may affect the calculations and interpretations of momentum conservation.

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Homework Statement


A grenade is falling from the height 19.6m .Finding velocity of both masses(fragments), if m1 is equal to 2 times of m2

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Homework Equations


Conservation of Momentum
v2 = u2 + 2as

The Attempt at a Solution


I think this is a pure mathematic problem :/ I can cut the mass out of my equation but I stuck with the velocities of the both masses
 
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So, what you need to do is to resolve the m1 and m2 into both x & y component. After that, solve the system by applying the momentum conservation principle at both X and Y component.
 
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feynmann93 said:
So, what you need to do is to resolve the m1 and m2 into both x & y component. After that, solve the system by applying the momentum conservation principle at both X and Y component.
I got
m2 about 47
m1 anout 35
lol
 
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feynmann93 said:
... I found the velocity of m1 is -30.2ms-1 and m2 is 50.3 ms-1 respectively...
Looking at the horizontal components,
m1 x v1 cos37 should equal 2m1 x v2 cos 53
m1 x 30.2 cos37 = 24.12 m1 and 2m1 x 50.3 cos 53 =60.54 m1 which does not match.

Pao44445 said:
I got m2 about 47 m1 anout 35
I take it, these are the velocities of those masses, so v2 about 47 v1 anout 35, so horizontal components of momentum,
m1 x 35 cos37 = 28 m1 and 2m1 x 47 cos 53 = 57 m1

Perhaps we can see your full working, then have more chance of spotting errors. My own arithmetic juggling is not that good and I had to rework it a couple of times when my checks did not come right. (I managed to swap v1 and v2 on my way through the calculation!)

BTW for the final answer I assume the grenade explodes after it has fallen 19.6m. The question is a bit vague. Maybe it is dropped from 19.6m but explodes halfway down! On the other hand, if it is falling from 19.6m and explodes after it has fallen 19.6m, then it is on the ground and I think that would make a difference.

Edit: removed a comment about the sign of the velocity, which was not helpful.
 

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