Calculating Work Against Gravity for Orbital Launch

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The problem involves calculating the work done against gravity when transporting materials for a lunar observatory from the Earth's surface to an orbit and then to the moon. The subject area includes gravitational potential energy and orbital mechanics.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants discuss the use of gravitational potential energy equations, questioning the validity of different approaches, including the use of U=-GMm/r and U=-GMm/Re + mgh. There is also a discussion about the implications of launching from infinity versus the Earth's surface.

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The discussion is active, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem and questioning assumptions about the equations being used. Some guidance has been offered regarding the correct reference points for potential energy calculations.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of gravitational potential energy calculations, particularly in relation to the height of the observatory above the Earth's surface and the reference points for energy calculations. There is an acknowledgment of the need to subtract energy when considering launches from the Earth's surface.

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Homework Statement



Materials to construct an 12000 kg lunar observatory are boosted from the Earth's surface to an orbit of 4100 km. In orbit, the observatory is assembled and launched to the moon, 384000 km from Earth.
Compare the work that must be done against Earth's gravity on the two legs of the trip. (Hint: work done against gravity is change in potential energy)

Work to get to orbit: ________ joules
Work to get from orbit to moon: ______________ joules

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possibly U=-GMm/r or U=-GMm/Re + mgh?

Me=5.97*10^24 kg
G=6.637*10^-11
Re=6.37*10^6 m

The Attempt at a Solution



for a)
U=-G(5.97*10^24 kg)(12000 kg)/(6.37*10^6 m+4100*10^3 m)
=-4.54*10^11 joules

(both neg and positive of this answer did not work)

mgh gives you almost the same thing, so i don't think that's the answer either (but feel free to prove me wrong). I've talked with my friend, and she tried -GMm/(Re+alt)-(-GMm/(Re)) and it also didn't work.

didn't try b) because my answers for a were wrong...help?

thanks!
 
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sour_lemon_1k said:
Materials to construct an 12000 kg lunar observatory are boosted from the Earth's surface

possibly U=-GMm/r or U=-GMm/Re + mgh?

erm :redface: … you've launched it from infinity. :rolleyes:

(and it's never "+ mgh" … that only works when h << r :wink:)
 
hey thanks for replying! yes it's launched from infinity...but what next! ?__?

also when you say that only works when h<<r, doesn't that apply for all cases? because r = radius of planet + altitude (aka h) so r always > h...unless I am misunderstanding what << means lol.

thanks for helping again!
 
sour_lemon_1k said:
yes it's launched from infinity

No, it's launched from the Earth's surface …

you have to subtract that energy, don't you?​

(my r was the Earth's radius, and my h was the height above it)
 
wait...I GOT IT! thank you! :biggrin:
 

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