Calculating work done with angles

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of work done when a force is applied at an angle. Participants explore the formula for work done, specifically in the context of a problem involving a force of 100N applied at a 30-degree angle to move a 15kg object horizontally over a distance of 5 meters.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the formula for work done as Work = Force * Displacement * cos(theta) and questions how the calculation leads to 433 joules instead of 500 joules.
  • Another participant confirms the calculation step-by-step, showing that W = 100 * 5 * cos(30) results in W = 100 * 5 * 0.866, leading to 433J.
  • A participant notes that the cosine of any angle other than 0 degrees results in a value less than 1, thus reducing the total work done compared to the maximum possible work when the force is collinear with the displacement.
  • There is a query about how the value 0.866 is derived from the 30-degree angle, prompting further clarification.
  • Another participant provides the value of cos(30) as 0.866 and suggests using a calculator to verify this value, emphasizing the importance of calculator settings (degree vs. radian mode).
  • A later reply mentions that cos(30 degrees) can also be expressed as √3/2, but acknowledges that understanding the cosine function is necessary for this calculation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the calculation process and the role of the cosine function in determining the work done, but there is no consensus on the ease of calculating cosine values without a calculator or prior knowledge of trigonometric functions.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the ability to calculate cosine values mentally and the necessity of using a calculator, indicating a potential limitation in understanding trigonometric functions.

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Hi all.

I am trying to learn more on physics, and am at the subject on calculating work done. The formula to calculate work done is Work done = Force * Dislacement * consine(theta).

I am on a question which explains: a 100N force is applied at an angle of 30 degrees to the horizontal to move a 15kg object at a constant speed for a horizontal distance of 5 metres.

The answer given says "W = (100 N) * (5 m) * cos(30 degrees) = 433 J".

I would like to know how why you get 433 joules? You multiply 100 by 5 to get 500, but how does multiplying by 30 give you 433. I am up to speed on realising that the work done should be less that 500 joules because of the angle, but the formula states you multiply the angle (30), so how do you multiply the angle to get a lower value than 500?

Does every one follow what I'm asking?

Thankyou.
 
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\ W = F * s * cos(θ)

\ W = 100 * 5 * cos(30)

\ W = 100 * 5 * 0.866...

\ W = 433J
 
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The cosine can never exceed 1, so you're right, the maximal work is 5m*100N if the force is applied colinear to the displacement. The cosine of any other angle than 90° is smaller than 1, thus the resultant work is smaller than 500 J.
 
Thanks guys.

But, rollcast, how did you find the number 0.866 from a 30 degree angle?
 
Because cos(30) = 0.866
 
Do you have a calculator? Locate the 'cos'-button on it. Type '30', then press the 'cos' button!
If the result comes out to something else than 0.866 verify that your calculator is in degree-mode (e.g. "DEG" instead of "RAD").
 
Oh thanks. I didn't realize it was something you couldn't work out in your head.
 
..well, you could work out by hand that \cos{(30^{\circ})} = \frac{\sqrt{3}}{2}
But that would require that you know what the cosine actually is.
Anyway it always a good idea to know where the formulae you use actually come from when doing physics.
 

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