Calculating Work for Monatomic Gas Expansion

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The discussion revolves around calculating the work done by a monatomic gas during its expansion from an initial volume \( V_i = V_0 \) to a final volume \( V_f = 3V_0 \). The pressure is defined by a specific relationship involving a sine function, which some participants find confusing. The problem also includes questions about heat flow during the expansion.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are attempting to understand the pressure relationship and its implications for calculating work. Questions arise regarding the notation used for pressure and how to apply the given equations to find work and heat flow. There is discussion about whether the expansion can be considered isothermal and how to approach the calculations involved.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on how to set up the integral for work and have clarified the notation used for pressure. There is an ongoing exploration of the implications of the pressure relationship on the calculations. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being discussed, particularly regarding the nature of the expansion and the heat flow.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the temperature is not specified in the problem, which raises questions about how to proceed with calculations involving heat flow. There is uncertainty about the assumptions that can be made regarding the type of expansion.

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Homework Statement



one mole of a monatomic gas expands from V_i = V_0 to V_f = 3V_0 according to the relationship:

p = P_0[1 - 0.9sin( (pi(V - V_0))/4V_0 )]

a) compute the work done by the gas as it expands from V_i = V_0 to V_f = 3V_0

b) compute the net heat flow during this expansion

c) does heat flow into or out of the gas during this expansion?

Homework Equations



PV = nRT where P is pressure, V is volume, n is moles, R = 8.314 constant, T is temperature

Q = W = nRT ln (V_2/V_1) where W is work, Q is heat, V_2 and V_1 is volume

not sure what else

The Attempt at a Solution



I haven't got far because i don't understand the given relationship, what is the difference between the capital and lowercase p, is the lowercase p stand for momentum? i doubt it..

i used the second eq and tried to solve for work but didn't know how to implement the relationship given, where does it come into play?

any help appreciated...
 
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scholio said:

Homework Statement



one mole of a monatomic gas expands from V_i = V_0 to V_f = 3V_0 according to the relationship:

p = P_0[1 - 0.9sin( (pi(V - V_0))/4V_0 )]

a) compute the work done by the gas as it expands from V_i = V_0 to V_f = 3V_0

b) compute the net heat flow during this expansion

c) does heat flow into or out of the gas during this expansion?


Homework Equations



PV = nRT where P is pressure, V is volume, n is moles, R = 8.314 constant, T is temperature

Q = W = nRT ln (V_2/V_1) where W is work, Q is heat, V_2 and V_1 is volume

not sure what else

The Attempt at a Solution



I haven't got far because i don't understand the given relationship, what is the difference between the capital and lowercase p, is the lowercase p stand for momentum? i doubt it..

Ignore lowercase. p is just the pressure P.

Start with the definition of work:

[tex]W = \int_{V_0}^{3V_0} Pdv[/tex]

Substitute for P:

[tex]W = \int_{V_0}^{3V_0} P_0(1 - \sin(\pi(V - V_0)/4V_0 )dv[/tex]

AM
 
thanks AM, so does it become:

W = P_0[1 - 0.9sin( (pi(V - V_0))/4V_0 )](3V_0) - P_0[1 - 0.9sin( (pi(V - V_0))/4V_0 )](V_0) ?

how does the V and the V_0 come into play within the given function?

cheers
 
scholio said:
thanks AM, so does it become:

W = P_0[1 - 0.9sin( (pi(V - V_0))/4V_0 )](3V_0) - P_0[1 - 0.9sin( (pi(V - V_0))/4V_0 )](V_0) ?

how does the V and the V_0 come into play within the given function?

cheers

sorry double posting, 'edit' option wasn't available for some reason.
part b asks to determine the heat flow during the expansion, am i correct to assume that the pressure changes as does the volume, thus the expansion is isothermic

and should use eq Q_isotherm = W = nRT ln (V_2/V_1) where n = 1 mole, R = constant 8.314, T is not specified in problem, assumed constant and V_2 = 3V_0, V_1 = V_0

plugging in those values, for Q (heat) i got Q = 9.13T where T is the temp, constant

part c, asks if heat flows into or out of the gas during the expansion --> i said, since Q = 9.13T is positive, it means heat is flowing into the gas

correct??
 
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scholio said:
thanks AM, so does it become:

W = P_0[1 - 0.9sin( (pi(V - V_0))/4V_0 )](3V_0) - P_0[1 - 0.9sin( (pi(V - V_0))/4V_0 )](V_0) ?

how does the V and the V_0 come into play within the given function?

cheers

You just have to figure out the integral:

[tex]W = \int_{V_0}^{3V_0} P_0(1 - \sin(\pi(V - V_0)/4V_0 )dv[/tex]

which is of the form:

[tex]W = \int_{V_0}^{3V_0} P_0dv - \int_{V_0}^{3V_0} P_0\sin(kV - \phi) dv[/tex]

Work that out. Remember [itex]P_0[/itex] and [itex]V_0[/itex] are constants.

AM
 

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