Calculation of center of mass difficult

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the center of mass for a cone, with specific focus on the implications of using surface density versus volume density in the context of a hollow versus solid cone. Participants are exploring the integration methods necessary for this calculation.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss using surface density and integrating mass from bottom to top, questioning whether this is appropriate for a hollow cone. There are mentions of using "negative mass" and inquiries about alternative approaches. Some participants seek clarification on whether certain methods are simplifications of others.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants providing feedback and asking for further details, such as the actual problem statement and calculations. There is a mix of interpretations regarding the density to be used, and some guidance has been offered on setting up integrals for both solid and hollow cones.

Contextual Notes

There is a noted ambiguity regarding whether the cone is solid or hollow, which affects the choice of density and integration method. Participants are also responding to the absence of the original problem statement, which may limit the clarity of the discussion.

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a) i use surface density and calculate the mass of a disk and integrate it from bottom to top. Is it right? But the cone is hollow so i only need to use the mass of the circuference?
b) use "negative mass"? are there any other approaches?
c) is it just a simplification of part a)?
thx!
 
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It would help if you provided the actual problem.
 
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eileen6a said:
a) i use surface density and calculate the mass of a disk and integrate it from bottom to top. Is it right? But the cone is hollow so i only need to use the mass of the circuference?
In part a, the cone is a solid, not hollow, so you want to use the volume density ρ=m/V, where m is the mass of the cone and V is its volume.

Can you write down the integral to calculate the volume of the cone? That's a good starting point.
b) use "negative mass"? are there any other approaches?
c) is it just a simplification of part a)?
thx!
For part c, it's not quite a simplification. This time you do want to use the surface density σ=m/A, where A is the surface area of the cone, and setting up the integral is a bit different.

It would help if you show us your calculations.
 

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