Calculation of double dual of Riemann tensor

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of the double dual of the Riemann curvature tensor in the context of general relativity, specifically addressing the implications of the Bianchi identity and the divergence of the double dual tensor. Participants explore various methods for deriving the relationship between the Bianchi identity and the divergence of the double dual tensor.

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  • One participant presents the problem of showing that the Bianchi identity can be expressed in terms of the divergence of the double dual of the Riemann tensor, G.
  • Another participant suggests using geometric algebra or the exterior derivative as a potentially simpler method for the calculation.
  • A participant expresses difficulty with the application of the product rule due to the presence of two Levi-Civita symbols in the expression for G.
  • Some participants clarify that the Einstein tensor is the contracted double dual of the Riemann tensor, which requires contracting two indices after taking the double dual.
  • There is a correction regarding the identification of the tensor G as the Einstein tensor, with a participant noting that the Einstein tensor is obtained by further contracting indices of G.
  • One participant provides identities involving the Levi-Civita symbols that may be useful for the calculations.
  • Another participant proposes that the anti-symmetrization of indices in the expression for G could simplify the problem.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the best approach to solve the problem, and there are competing views on the nature of the tensor G and its relation to the Einstein tensor. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific steps to derive the desired result.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about handling the Levi-Civita symbols and the implications of contracting indices. The discussion involves complex tensor calculus and relies on specific identities that may not be universally agreed upon.

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Hi all, I encounter a technical problem about tensor calculation when studying general relativity. I think it should be proper to post it here.

Riemann curvature tensor has Bianchi identity: R^\alpha_{[\beta\gamma\delta;\epsilon]}=0

Now given double (Hodge)dual of Riemann tensor: G = *R*, in component form:
G^{\alpha\beta}_{\gamma\delta}=1/2\epsilon^{\alpha\beta\mu\nu}R_{\mu\nu}^{\rho\sigma}1/2\epsilon_{\rho\sigma\gamma\delta}

Show that the Bianchi identity can be simply written in terms of divergence of G as
\nabla\cdot G=0.

In component form:
G_{\alpha\beta\gamma}^{\delta}_{;\delta}=0

PS: \nabla and ";" represent covariant derivative in abstract and component form respectively.

I've never done such calculation and is overwhelmed by so much super- and subscripts. Can anyone show me step by step how to get the final answer from the beginning? Thanks very much.
 
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Heh, this would be really quite easy with some geometric algebra (or at least an exterior derivative). Still, have you tried simply going with the brute force approach and applying the product rule to the expression for G?
 
Muphrid said:
Heh, this would be really quite easy with some geometric algebra (or at least an exterior derivative). Still, have you tried simply going with the brute force approach and applying the product rule to the expression for G?
Hi Muphrid, I tried to use brute force, but I don't know how to deal with the two Levi-Civita symbol, because as you might see, the divergence actually sum with one of the Levi-Civita's subscript on the RHS.

Would mind show me how to do it if it's not too lengthy? Thanks very much.
 
shichao116 said:
Now given double (Hodge)dual of Riemann tensor: G = *R

The Einstein tensor G is the *contracted* double dual of the Riemann tensor. So you need to contract two of the indices after taking the double dual, so G has only two indices, not four. Then you take the covariant divergence on the second index.
 
PeterDonis said:
The Einstein tensor G is the *contracted* double dual of the Riemann tensor. So you need to contract two of the indices after taking the double dual, so G has only two indices, not four. Then you take the covariant divergence on the second index.
Hi Peter, this is not Einstein tensor. You obtain Einstein tensor by contracting two indices of "this" G. This is exercise 13.11 of book "Gravitation".
 
shichao116 said:
Hi Peter, this is not Einstein tensor. You obtain Einstein tensor by contracting two indices of "this" G. This is exercise 13.11 of book "Gravitation".

Ah, I see. I'll check my copy of the book when I get a chance. MTW does have a lot of exercises involving "index gymnastics".
 
You'll probably need identities like

$$\epsilon_{abmn}\epsilon^{pqcd}
=(-1)^\sigma\delta_{abmn}^{pqcd}
=(-1)^\sigma (4!)\delta_{[a\vphantom{b}}^{p}
\delta_{b\vphantom{]}}^q
\delta_{m\vphantom{]}}^{c\vphantom{p}}
\delta_{n]}^{d\vphantom{p}},$$
where \sigma is the number of negative signs in the metric tensor,
and
$$\delta_{abmn}^{pqcd}
=\delta_{ab}^{pq}\delta_{mn\vphantom{b}}^{cd}
+\delta_{mn\vphantom{b}}^{pq}\delta_{ab}^{cd}
+(2!)^2\delta_{[m[a}^{pq}\delta_{b]n]}^{cd\vphantom{p}},
$$
where \delta_{ab}^{pq}=(2!)\delta_{[a}^p\delta_{b]}^q <br /> =(2!)\delta_{a\vphantom{b}}^{[p}\delta_{b}^{q]}.
 
Isn't the action of the Levi-Civita's here

Gαβγδ = 1/2ϵαβμνRμνρσ1/2ϵρσγδ

anti-symmetrizing two pairs of indices so that

Gαβγδ = (1/4)R[αβ][γδ]

which seems to go part of the way.
 
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