Calculation of power produced by an electric fish

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The discussion revolves around calculating the average power output of an electric fish that generates a voltage of 220V and a current pulse of 15A lasting for 2ms, with 200 pulses produced per second. Participants are exploring how to properly apply the relevant equations to determine power output.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the initial approach of using P=VI and question why it does not yield the expected answer. There are suggestions to consider charge and energy equations, as well as the significance of the pulse duration and the average power over time.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, raising questions about the relevance of the pulse duration and the implications of averaging power over time. Some guidance has been offered regarding the need to consider all provided information, but no consensus has been reached on the correct approach.

Contextual Notes

There is a focus on the time duration of the pulses and how they relate to the overall calculation of average power. Some participants express uncertainty about how to incorporate the 2ms pulse duration into their calculations, indicating a need for clarification on the relationship between pulse timing and average power output.

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Homework Statement


An electric fish is capable of generating a voltage of 220V. This drives a pulse of 15A lasting for 2ms. The fish produces 200 pulses in one second. What is the average power output?

Homework Equations


P=VI
P=E/t

The Attempt at a Solution


At first glance I thought we just have to multiply 220 with 15 using the equation P=VI. But that doesn't give the answer. So at another glance I was convinced that 200 is also supposed to be multiplied because in one second 200 such "power" is produced. But that still doesn't gives the answer. Can anyone explain what am I missing?
 
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Try Q=It for charge, then use E=QV and then do P=E/t?
 
What am I supposed to do with 2ms?
 
That is the time t. 2 milliseconds.
 
So why can't I just apply P = VI?
 
I'm not sure. Maybe because it says "average" power. When I get questions like this that give me loads of information, I deduce that I probably need to use all of it and P=IV doesn't use all of it. I don't know why P=IV doesn't work, maybe someone else can enlighten you, but if you want to get the right answer in exams/homeowork/coursework maybe try to use all the information given (unless there are many parts to the question).
 
That wasn't really an explanation...
 
No, it wasn't an explanation because I don't know why you can't use P=IV. I was just trying to help you to get similar questions correct in the future.
 
I also used the same trick and multiplied everything and got the answer correct. I want to know the logic behind it
 
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Ok maybe it should be visualized that the fish produces pulses all over his body, at the same time...

So the pulses are "averaged out" during one second, such that 200 pulses are during each second.

Nowhere does it say, that the pulses go in a straight line...

pulse 1, pulse 2 etc...

pulses 1-5 could begin at the same time during 0,02 seconds (20ms)
 
  • #11
Okay then what does 2ms has to do with anything?
 
  • #12
the fish actually produces 4 seconds worth of electrical current I believe, in each second.

Some of the fishes pulses are happening simulatenously ( yet those pulses actually happen within that one second of measured time)

The time affects the electric energy or electric work.

I suspect you could then calculate power after wards

E = I * t*U
current x time x voltage = work

watts should be work done / time in seconds

try if that give correct result
 
  • #13
Consider the total energy produced over a full second. Each individual pulse lasts only 2 ms, and 200 of them don't total a full second so there is some "dead time" in there. Hence the need to look at the average over time.
 
  • #14
Ok the moderator removed my post...

I think that true time duration for one pulse is only 2 milliseconds like it says in the problem statement.

I misread originally that it was 20 ms

If there are 200 pulses in each second.

Then it is known that one pulse has duration of 0.002 seconds.

Try to work from there according to darkmatter5's instruction
 
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