Calculations for a lifting tool for a bar

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the design and calculations for a lifting tool intended for a long, flexible steel bar. Participants explore various aspects of the lifting mechanism, including force calculations, attachment methods, and the behavior of the bar during lifting and transport. The conversation includes considerations of mechanical design, stress analysis, and potential oscillations of the bar during movement.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes using the formula P=F/A for calculating the force on the lifting tool, where F is the weight of the bar and A is the area under the flared head engaged with the tool.
  • Another participant questions the flexibility of the bar and its manipulation, asking about the material and attachment method of the lifting tool.
  • A later reply suggests that the bar will naturally oscillate once lifted, recommending a design that allows for tilting to mitigate deformation from oscillations.
  • One participant discusses the potential failure modes of the lifting system, indicating that tension will focus on the fillet below the head and suggesting that the head's design could be optimized for better force distribution.
  • Another participant expresses uncertainty about calculating forces on the head when using a collet, questioning whether the stress is purely compression.
  • A different viewpoint emphasizes the advantages of a collet design, which could clamp onto the shank of the bar and reduce the need for a complex head design.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on the mechanics of lifting the bar and the design of the lifting tool. There is no consensus on the best approach, and multiple competing ideas about force calculations, attachment methods, and the behavior of the bar remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention various assumptions, such as the bar remaining vertical during lifting and the absence of wind conditions. There are also unresolved considerations regarding the natural oscillation frequency of the bar and its impact on the lifting process.

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Is the analysis for this lifting tool as simple as?
I'm designing a lifting tool for a bar with a flared head. The bar is say 10m long and 10mm in diameter with a head on the top that is 20mm in diameter and 10mm thick. There is a fillet from the head to the bar of 2mm (for reducing stress concentrations).
The bar will be lifted vertically and then transported to the side. Therefore i'm not expecting transverse forces such as torsion or shear.
I'm trying to do some FEA and hand calcs on designs for lifting tools and the below seems too simple?

I tend to second guess myself but is it as simple as: P=F/A
Where F = the weight of the bar x 9.81 for a force
and A = The area under the flared head which is engaged with a lifting tool?

Much appreciated
 
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A bar that is 10 meters long and 10 mm in diameter is a very flexible and hard to manipulate bar.

Steel bar?
How will your lifting tool attach to the vertical bar?
Will the vertical stroke of the tool be more than 10 meters?
How fast and jerky the vertical and horizontal movements will be?
 
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Lnewqban said:
A bar that is 10 meters long and 10 mm in diameter is a very flexible and hard to manipulate bar.

Steel bar?
How will your lifting tool attach to the vertical bar?
Will the vertical stroke of the tool be more than 10 meters?
How fast and jerky the vertical and horizontal movements will be?
Thanks for the reply

It will be steel, and I'm planning to use a system that goes around the disc/ flared head and clamps underneath (lifting from the underside of the disc) and lifts up from there. I'm aiming to make it something that connects to a crane or similar system so it's hoisted up; where the stroke would be more than 10m, possibly 12m giving 2m clearance.

The bar is in a guide tube, so shouldn't jerk when be removed until its clear of this guide tube, however its indoors so there won't be any wind considerations.
 
Once out of the guide, the bar will start sideways movement on its own, even in zero wind conditions.
It is a natural oscillation that becomes an S-shaped oscillation with one or more nodes.
All depends on the natural oscillation frequency of the bar.

In that case, I recommend you grabbing the head in such a way that it is free to tilt in all directions.
That would eliminate any deformation due to transferred moment from those oscillations.
A way of restraining those oscillation by means of cords manipulated by a worker, or other way, is also recommendable.
 
oblong-pea said:
The bar is say 10m long and 10mm in diameter with a head on the top that is 20mm in diameter and 10mm thick. There is a fillet from the head to the bar of 2mm (for reducing stress concentrations).
I assume the bar remains vertical throughout the lifting operation.

The tool could be made to operate like a cam, or a tapered collet, where the force applied against the bottom of the head is multiplied mechanically, to pinch the bar below the head, with a greater force than is applied by the head.
 
Thanks for the replies and guidance, really appreciated.

I am still struggling to clarify how to calculate the forces on the head though. If I were to use a collet or similar and lift from under the head, is the stress simply F/A? And is it purely compression on the under side?
Many thanks
 
Lifting by compression against the underside of the head becomes tension in the bar. The tension will be focussed on the fillet below the head. The failure mode would probably be by shearing along a conical surface that intersects the fillet. Once the stress reaches the bar shank, it will be F/A.

The advantage of a collet is that it clamps onto the shank of the bar, using the head as a position reference. The head only needs to carry the forces that activate the collet during the attachment. The head does not then need a step with a fillet, it only requires a conical taper that is steeper than the collet taper. It is easier to upset and spread the end of the bar than it is to form a flat head step. The length of the collet can be made sufficient, such that the tension in the rod rises gradually to F/A.
The critical included angle of the collet taper is the arc tangent of the friction coefficient between the bar and collet. A steeper collet taper will release easily, while a more gentle taper will lock, requiring a reverse impact to break the grip, that may have safety implications.
 

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