Calculus 3 problem: lines and planes in space

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The discussion revolves around a problem in vector calculus, specifically concerning the relationship between vectors and planes in three-dimensional space. The original poster seeks to determine a value of \( c \) that allows a vector \( w \) to lie in the plane defined by two other vectors \( u \) and \( v \).

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  • The original poster describes using the cross product and the scalar triple product to check if vector \( w \) lies in the plane formed by vectors \( u \) and \( v \). Some participants question the correctness of this approach and suggest alternative methods, including setting up equations based on component equality or using the dot product with the normal vector.

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Participants are actively discussing various methods to approach the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding alternative strategies, but there is no explicit consensus on the best method to use. The conversation remains open as participants explore different interpretations and calculations.

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There is a suggestion that the original poster may have made an error in their calculations, but the specifics of those calculations have not been provided. The original poster is also noted to be currently taking calculus 3, which may influence their understanding of the concepts involved.

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Let u=<5,-2,3> and v=<-2,1,4>. Find the value of c which will force the vector w=<2c,3,c-1> to lie in the plane of u and v. I did the cross product of u and v, then i crossed u and w, then I equal the product of u and v with what I got for w. But for some reason when I try doing the triple scalar of u,v, and w; it does not give me zero which would prove that w is in the plane of u and v.
 
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dfcitykid said:
Let u=<5,-2,3> and v=<-2,1,4>. Find the value of c which will force the vector w=<2c,3,c-1> to lie in the plane of u and v. I did the cross product of u and v, then i crossed u and w, then I equal the product of u and v with what I got for w. But for some reason when I try doing the triple scalar of u,v, and w; it does not give me zero which would prove that w is in the plane of u and v.
I think you may be doing the problem incorrectly. The scalar triple product formula is a • (b x c). So I do not believe you need to cross u and v and u and w and equate them. I'm not 100% certain though (I'm currently taking calc 3 myself) so perhaps someone can confirm or deny my suspicion.
 
You could just write the equation$$
\vec w = a\vec u + b\vec v$$out and set the components equal. 3 equations in 3 unknowns.

Alternatively, and probably easier, just dot ##\vec w## with ##\vec u \times \vec v##, which is normal to the plane, and and set it equal to zero. Then you can just solve for ##c##.
 
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