Calculus by Apostol Exercise 2.8 number 30

In summary, the conversation discusses a theorem about the integral of a translated periodic function being equal to the integral of the original periodic function. The person seeking help is struggling to understand how to approach proving the theorem and asks for hints. The conversation also touches on the importance of understanding and intuition over rigor.
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The Attempt at a Solution


I have no idea on how to start proving this, but I know the theorem is stating that the integral of a translated periodic function is the same with the integral of the periodic function without translation, is this concept correct? What I am thinking is to use the translation property of integrals to manipulate the equation but so far no success. Any hints or suggestions?
 
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the theorem is stating that the integral of a translated periodic function is the same with the integral of the periodic function without translation
That's the theorem. It'scorrect, but the exercise you are dealing with is asking you to prove that theorem. So you can't use it. You'll have to do something with the exact mening of 'preriodic' and 'integral'.

Hint: ##\int_e^g = \int_e^f +\int_f^g##
 
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I still can't think on how to start with that hint...
 
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shinobi20 said:
I still can't think on how to start with that hint...

Nevertheless, PF rules forbid us from helping until you have done some of your own work on the problem.
 
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Let f be a periodic function with period p. ∫f(x)dx 0 to p is equal to ∫f(x+p)dx 0 to p since f is periodic. ∫f(x+p)dx 0 to p is equal to ∫f(x)dx np to np+p from the translation property. We can find a unique interval say, Np to Np+p where it contains a. Let Np=a, then ∫f(x)dx Np to Np+p is equal to ∫f(x)dx a to a+p. Is this rigorous enough?
 
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shinobi20 said:
Let f be a periodic function with period p. ∫f(x)dx 0 to p is equal to ∫f(x+p)dx 0 to p since f is periodic. ∫f(x+p)dx 0 to p is equal to ∫f(x)dx np to np+p from the translation property. We can find a unique interval say, Np to Np+p where it contains a. Let Np=a, then ∫f(x)dx Np to Np+p is equal to ∫f(x)dx a to a+p. Is this rigorous enough?

I don't understand the argument. Anyway, understanding and "intuition" are more important than "rigor" at this stage; after you see the reasons, they can easily be translated into rigorous statements. I suggest you draw a plot of y = f(x) over two periods, from 0 to 2p, and take the case where f >= 0, so the integral is the area under the graph. Now take 0 < a < p and look (on your graph) at the two areas (from 0 to p and from a to a+p). Can you now see what is happening?
 
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Should I draw random function? Why did you use a limit of integration from 0 to 2p? The given is 0 to p.
 
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shinobi20 said:
Should I draw random function? Why did you use a limit of integration from 0 to 2p? The given is 0 to p.

You should draw whatever kind of periodic function you like; the argument will not depend on the details.

Why go from x = 0 to x = 2p? The reason is that in the question you want to also go from x =a to x = a+p, where a > 0, so you want to look at parts of the graph y = f(x) for x > p. However, if 0 < a < p you do not need to go past x = 2p.

Just sit down and start to work things through. That way you will understand completely and you will be able to answer your own questions.
 
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A simple change of variable should help you.
 

1. What is Calculus by Apostol Exercise 2.8 number 30?

Calculus by Apostol Exercise 2.8 number 30 is a specific problem or exercise from the textbook "Calculus" by Tom M. Apostol. It is a part of the section 2.8 which covers the topic of derivatives of inverse functions.

2. What is the purpose of Exercise 2.8 number 30?

The purpose of Exercise 2.8 number 30 is to test the understanding and application of the concept of derivatives of inverse functions. It also helps in developing problem-solving skills and critical thinking in the subject of calculus.

3. What is the difficulty level of Exercise 2.8 number 30?

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