Calculus by Apostol Exercise 2.8 number 30

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The discussion revolves around a calculus problem related to proving a theorem about the integral of a translated periodic function. The original poster expresses uncertainty about how to begin the proof and references the theorem's assertion that the integral remains unchanged under translation.

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  • Participants explore the meaning of periodic functions and the properties of integrals. There are attempts to apply the translation property of integrals, and some participants question the rigor of the arguments presented. Others suggest visualizing the problem through graphs to enhance understanding.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, sharing hints and suggestions. There is a focus on understanding the concepts rather than providing direct solutions. Some participants are still struggling with the initial steps, while others are attempting to clarify their reasoning and assumptions.

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There are references to specific limits of integration and the periodic nature of the function, which may influence the approach to the proof. Participants are reminded of forum rules regarding the level of assistance provided based on the original poster's efforts.

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I have no idea on how to start proving this, but I know the theorem is stating that the integral of a translated periodic function is the same with the integral of the periodic function without translation, is this concept correct? What I am thinking is to use the translation property of integrals to manipulate the equation but so far no success. Any hints or suggestions?
 
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the theorem is stating that the integral of a translated periodic function is the same with the integral of the periodic function without translation
That's the theorem. It'scorrect, but the exercise you are dealing with is asking you to prove that theorem. So you can't use it. You'll have to do something with the exact mening of 'preriodic' and 'integral'.

Hint: ##\int_e^g = \int_e^f +\int_f^g##
 
I still can't think on how to start with that hint...
 
shinobi20 said:
I still can't think on how to start with that hint...

Nevertheless, PF rules forbid us from helping until you have done some of your own work on the problem.
 
Let f be a periodic function with period p. ∫f(x)dx 0 to p is equal to ∫f(x+p)dx 0 to p since f is periodic. ∫f(x+p)dx 0 to p is equal to ∫f(x)dx np to np+p from the translation property. We can find a unique interval say, Np to Np+p where it contains a. Let Np=a, then ∫f(x)dx Np to Np+p is equal to ∫f(x)dx a to a+p. Is this rigorous enough?
 
shinobi20 said:
Let f be a periodic function with period p. ∫f(x)dx 0 to p is equal to ∫f(x+p)dx 0 to p since f is periodic. ∫f(x+p)dx 0 to p is equal to ∫f(x)dx np to np+p from the translation property. We can find a unique interval say, Np to Np+p where it contains a. Let Np=a, then ∫f(x)dx Np to Np+p is equal to ∫f(x)dx a to a+p. Is this rigorous enough?

I don't understand the argument. Anyway, understanding and "intuition" are more important than "rigor" at this stage; after you see the reasons, they can easily be translated into rigorous statements. I suggest you draw a plot of y = f(x) over two periods, from 0 to 2p, and take the case where f >= 0, so the integral is the area under the graph. Now take 0 < a < p and look (on your graph) at the two areas (from 0 to p and from a to a+p). Can you now see what is happening?
 
Should I draw random function? Why did you use a limit of integration from 0 to 2p? The given is 0 to p.
 
shinobi20 said:
Should I draw random function? Why did you use a limit of integration from 0 to 2p? The given is 0 to p.

You should draw whatever kind of periodic function you like; the argument will not depend on the details.

Why go from x = 0 to x = 2p? The reason is that in the question you want to also go from x =a to x = a+p, where a > 0, so you want to look at parts of the graph y = f(x) for x > p. However, if 0 < a < p you do not need to go past x = 2p.

Just sit down and start to work things through. That way you will understand completely and you will be able to answer your own questions.
 
A simple change of variable should help you.
 

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