Calculus: Composite and Quotient rules. HELP

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The discussion revolves around differentiating functions using the Composite and Quotient rules in calculus. The original poster presents a function f(x) = (x^2− 6x + 23)^(3/2) and seeks to differentiate it using the chain rule, followed by applying the quotient rule to another function g(x) = (x − 2)/(x^2 − 6x + 23)^(3/2).

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to differentiate f(x) using the chain rule but expresses confusion about how to apply the quotient rule to g(x) based on their findings from part (i). Some participants question the clarity of the original poster's understanding of the problem setup and the application of the rules.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively discussing the differentiation process, with some providing clarifications on how to apply the quotient rule correctly. There is an indication that the original poster is beginning to understand the relationship between the parts of the problem, though no consensus has been reached on the final approach.

Contextual Notes

There is a mention of potential confusion due to the use of different function names (f(x) and g(x)) in the problem statement. The original poster is encouraged to focus on the specific forms of u and v in the context of the quotient rule.

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Homework Statement



Remember to show your working explicitly throughout your answer to this question.

(a) (i) Use the Composite Rule to differentiate the function f(x) = (x^2− 6x + 23)^(3/2)

(ii) Use the Quotient Rule and your answer to part (a)(i) to show that the function:
g(x) = (x − 2)/(x^2 − 6x + 23)^(3/2)

has derivative

g'(x) = (5 + 9x − 2x^2)/(x2 − 6x + 23)^(5/2)

Homework Equations


(a)(i) Composite Rule (Leibniz form) (Chain Rule)
If y = g(u), where u = f(x), then
dy/dx=(dy/du)(du/dx)

(ii) Quotient Rule (Leibniz form)
If y = u/v, where u = f(x) and v = g(x), then

dy/dx = 1/v^2(v(du/dx)-u(dv/dx)


The Attempt at a Solution



Using the leibniz form of the composite rule, otherwise known as the chain rule:

We have: d/dx(f(x)) = d/dx((x^2-6x+23)^(3/2))

- The derivative of f(x) is f'(x)
=f'(x) =d/dx((x^2-6x+23)^(3/2))

-Using the chain rule:
d/dx((x^2-6x+23)^(3/2))=(du^(3/2)/du)(du/dx)

Where, u = x^2-6x+23, and

(du^(3/2)/du)(3(sqrt)u/2)

=f'(x) = 3/2(sqrtx^2-6x+23)(d/dx(x^2-6x+23))

= f'(x) = 3/2(sqrtx^2-6x+23)(2x-6)

My problem now is that for part (ii) the f'(x) is not in the form for the quotient rule and I am having trouble re-arranging it to get the appropriate form.

Can you please enlighten me as I have been staring at it for hrs with no concept in how to approach it.
 
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g(x) = (x − 2)/(x^2 − 6x + 23)^(3/2)

u = (x-2)

v = (x^2 − 6x + 23)^(3/2)

I can't really understand your problem here... What do mean when you say "the f'(x) is not in the form for the quotient rule" ??

EDIT: Hold on.. Are you getting confused since they used f(x) and g(x) for a few things.
 
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I hope not, what I mean is that for part (i) I need to differentiate the function, f(x) by using the chain rule, which is f'(x) and is my solution:

f'(x) = 3/2(sqrtx^2-6x+23)(2x-6)

So, as far as I can see part (ii) says that my solution above has to be used with the quotient rule to find the new function of g(x) and then g'(x) but the solution I have found isn't in the form of the normal quotient rule:

k(x) = f(x)/g(x)

I hope that makes it clearer.

J
 
Not really...

You have u=(x-2) and v=(x^2 − 6x + 23)^(3/2)

y = g(x) = (x − 2)/(x^2 − 6x + 23)^(3/2)

dy/dx = (1/v^2)(v(du/dx)-u(dv/dx))

But from part 1) you know what dv/dx is (3/2(sqrtx^2-6x+23)(2x-6))

you know what v and u are, just find du/dx then plug everything into the equation (1/v^2)(v(du/dx)-u(dv/dx)).

I think you're thinking you need to use the quotient rule on (x^2 − 6x + 23)^(3/2) but why would you need to do that? Read the question again.

Use the Quotient Rule AND your answer to part (a)(i) to show that the function:
g(x) = (x − 2)/(x^2 − 6x + 23)^(3/2)

has derivative...


I.E. Use the quotient rule on the above equation.
 
Oh, so not turn the solution of part ai into part aii.

Ok, I think I got it.

Thanks
 
Use the result of part ai in part aii :
the derivative of g(x)= (x − 2)/(x^2 − 6x + 23)^(3/2)= (x- 2)/f(x)
g'= [(x- 2)'f(x)- (x- 2)f'(x)]/f^2(x)= [f(x)- (x-2)f'(x)]/f^2(x)

ai is f'(x).
 

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