Calculus for Beginners: Basics & Examples

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The discussion revolves around the basic concepts of calculus, particularly focusing on the interpretation of differential quantities and their application in physics. Participants explore how to understand changes in mass and the implications of positive and negative values in equations.

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Main Points Raised

  • A beginner participant seeks clarification on the concept of differentials in calculus, specifically regarding the addition of negative quantities.
  • Some participants emphasize that if ##dM## is negative, then the expression ##M + dM## is still valid, providing an example with specific values.
  • There is a mention of a lecture from MIT that suggests defining differentials as positive, which confuses one participant, prompting further explanation.
  • One participant explains that the sign of a quantity does not change the validity of an equation, using the equation for motion as an example to illustrate that both positive and negative values can be valid.
  • Another participant discusses the implications of positive and negative rates of change in mass, emphasizing that the sign of ##\frac {dM} {dt}## does not dictate the structure of the equation but rather its interpretation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the interpretation of positive and negative differentials, with some agreeing on the validity of equations regardless of the sign, while others highlight the confusion stemming from different definitions and contexts.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the definitions of differentials and how they apply in various contexts, particularly in physics versus calculus. The discussion reflects a range of interpretations without reaching a consensus.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals interested in the foundational concepts of calculus, particularly those new to the subject or seeking clarification on the application of differentials in physics.

Frigus
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My question is as it is as you have read in the heading and please tell me in taking mind that I am not a calculus master but just a beginner.
 
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Post the exact equation that you’re asking about, please.
 
This is derivation part sir.

This is resnick halliday (principle of physics) tenth edition page no. 210

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If ##dM## is a negative quantity, as Resnick states, then ##M + dM## is correct.

E.g. suppose ##M = 100kg## and ##dM = -1 kg##, then the new mass is:

##M' = M + dM = 100kg + (-1kg) = 99kg##
 
PeroK said:
If ##dM## is a negative quantity, as Resnick states, then ##M + dM## is correct.

E.g. suppose ##M = 100kg## and ##dM = -1 kg##, then the new mass is:

##M' = M + dM = 100kg + (-1kg) = 99kg##
Sir I understand it but I was watching this mit lecture in which that sir told (at 0:30)that we write it as positive because this is how we define differential but it didn't made any sense to me so to clarify it I posted this thread.
Can you please explain the point that he wanted to explain.
 
Hemant said:
Sir I understand it but I was watching this mit lecture in which that sir told (at 0:30)that we write it as positive because this is how we define differential but it didn't made any sense to me so to clarify it I posted this thread.
Can you please explain the point that he wanted to explain.


You may be confusing "adding" or "subtracting" things with "positive" and "negative" quantities.

For example, we have the well-known equation: $$s = ut + \frac 1 2 a t^2$$
This is correct, regardless of whether ##a## is a positive or negative quantity.

If ##a = +1m/s^2##, then that equation is correct; and if ##a = -1m/s^2## that equation is correct.

In the same way ##u##, the initial velocity, could be positive ot negative.

Similarly, for a difference in some quantity ##Q## we have $$Q' = Q + \Delta Q$$
Which says that the new quantity ##Q'## is the original quantity ##Q## plus the change ##\Delta Q##. That is correct whether ##Q## and/or ##\Delta Q## are positive or negative quantities.

In general, you don't change an equation because you know a quantity is negative. The equation remains the same, it's just the numbers (when you come to plug them in) can be positive or negative.
 
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I sympathize with your confusion. With a rocket you know how the mass is changing and that biases your expectations regarding the equation.

Let me reiterate what others have said. Let’s say you have an object which is changing mass over time. The mass as a function of time is

M(t)

the change in mass over time is

##\frac {dM} {dt}##

If I told you ##\frac {dM} {dt}## is positive would you say the object is gaining mass or losing mass? Gaining mass, right? If I said it was negative you would say it is losing mass, right? Now if I write an equation using the symbol ##\frac {dM} {dt}## I'm not indicating what the sign of ##\frac {dM} {dt}## is. It could still be positive (gaining mass) or negative (losing mass). In the equation I might write

M(t) = ##M_0 + \frac {dM} {dt}## t

the symbol has a plus sign. It is added to the mass, but it can take on a positive or negative value
 
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Thanks to everyone
 

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