Calculus II - closed function question

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The discussion revolves around a function defined by the equation F(x, y, z) = 2ln(xz) + sin(xyz) − y^2 = 0, which is expressed in terms of a closed function z = f(x, y). The original poster mentions a specific case where f(1, 0) = 1 and introduces a new function g(t) = f(t, 1 - t^6), seeking to find g'(1).

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  • The original poster attempts to differentiate the function F with respect to its variables and apply implicit differentiation to find g'(1). Some participants question the clarity of the relationships between the functions F, f, and g, seeking further explanation of the terms involved.

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The discussion includes attempts to differentiate the function and set up the necessary equations. Some participants provide detailed differentiation steps, while others express confusion about the relationships between the variables and functions. There is no explicit consensus on the approach, but multiple interpretations and methods are being explored.

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Participants note the challenge of understanding the problem setup and the implications of the function definitions. The original poster has indicated that the answer is g'(1) = 2, but the path to that conclusion remains unclear and is under discussion.

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there is a function: F ( x, y, z) = 2ln (xz) + sin ( xyz) − y^2 = 0.
the func is defined by the closed function z=f(x,y) and provides : f(1,0)=1
we define: g(t)=f(t,1-t^6) . where t is very close to 1.
I have to find g'(1)

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I tried to to do like that: find F'x and F'z and did z'x =-(F'x/ F'z) and got -1. but from here I don't know what to do.
The answer is g'(1)=2.
Thanks for your help!
 
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sorry, can't really follow this - can you explain the question in a little more detail and more clearly? for example what is g in relation to F and f and x in relation to t?
 
sorry about the wrong copying: g(t)=f(t,1-t^6)
 
axcelenator said:
there is a function: F ( x, y, z) = 2ln (xz) + sin ( xyz) − y^2 = 0.
the func is defined by the closed function z=f(x,y) and provides : f(1,0)=1
Are you saying there exist f(x,y) such that z= f(x,y), in the neighborhood of (1, 0, 1), is the same as 2ln(xz)+ sin(xyz)- y^2= 0?

we define: g(t)=f(t,1-t^6) . where t is very close to 1.
I have to find g'(1)
If so, then F(x, y, g)= 2ln(xg)+ sin(xyg)- y^2= 0. And with x= t, y= 1- t^6, that is 2ln(tg)+ sin(t(1- t^6)g)- (1- t^6)^2.

Differentiating with respect to t,
\frac{2}{tg}(1+ tg')+ cos(t(1- t^6)g)((1- t^6)g- 6t^6g+ t(1-t^6)g')- 12(1- t^6)t^5= 0
Set t= 1, so that x= 1, y= 0, and F(1, 0, g(1))= 2ln(g(1))= 0. What is g(1)? Put x= 1, y= 0, and that value of g(1) into the equation and solve for g'(1).

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I tried to to do like that: find F'x and F'z and did z'x =-(F'x/ F'z) and got -1. but from here I don't know what to do.
The answer is g'(1)=2.
Thanks for your help!
 

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