Can 225vac from Solar flow back to grid?

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The discussion centers around the possibility of excess electricity generated from a DIY solar array (producing 225VAC) flowing back into the electrical grid in the USA, particularly when connected to a main panel without a net metering setup. Participants explore the implications of transformer behavior and safety concerns related to such setups.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether excess current from their solar array can flow back to neighbors, given the higher voltage of the street lines (4,800VAC) compared to their output (225VAC).
  • Another participant suggests that transformers can work in both directions, indicating that the 220VAC line feeding the house may also supply power to other homes.
  • A later reply mentions that some meters are one-way while others are two-way, and discusses the concept of "islanding," where inverters can supply power to a house but not back to the grid during a power outage.
  • Concerns are raised about safety and regulatory compliance, emphasizing the need for proper equipment and disconnects to prevent hazards for utility workers.
  • A participant provides a link to a resource that may clarify some of the questions raised in the discussion.

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Participants express varying views on whether excess solar power can flow back into the grid, with some agreeing on the functionality of transformers while others highlight safety and regulatory issues. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specifics of backfeeding and the implications of different meter types.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations regarding the understanding of transformer behavior, the specifics of wiring setups, and the regulatory requirements for connecting solar systems to the grid. There is also mention of potential hazards associated with improper installations.

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Note, this is in the USA, where the street lines are 4,800vac (I think?)...and the lines from the pole are 220VAC to the panel.

For example, let's say I'm making 225vac from a DIY solar array (connected to my main panel), and the amount of energy I'm currently producing is more than what I'm consuming at my house (and there is no net metering setup...just solar panels with inverters pushing 225VAC connected to my panel). Assuming (since I'm in the USA) that the power coming from the street to my panel is 220VAC, and the power at the line is much higher (4,800 right?)...can my excess (unused) current get to my neighbor's house?

I always thought it could not, because the line at the street is MUCH higher voltage. However, someone said it can, because the transformer at the pole would simply take the 225VAC and step it up so it could flow back into the grid, and be used by someone else in the neighborhood. Is that right? Will the transformer step the voltage UP?? Like I said, I thought it would not...but someone recently corrected me and said it will. Anyone know for sure??Thanks!
 
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Depending on how you have it wired, yes.

the transformers work in both directions, and chances are the 220v line feeding your house feeds several others as well at a common connection point.


if you have your inverters directly tied to the incomming panel, you really need to install proper equipment before that setup injures or kills a serviceman.
 
Thank you. Interesting. I did not know the transformer at the pole works both ways...or that the 220vac at my house is on the same line as other homes on the street (possibly).
 
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Some meters are one way only. Most I have run across are 2 way (rotary)

your 125VAC is half the leg of a 220v line.. it can still backfeed that single phase back into the grid in case of a power outage.

automatic shutoff or "islanding" islanding is where the inverter passes through the grid power, but if the grid goes away it keeps supplying power to the house but not back to the utility.

Yes, most AC systems can run in reverse,the chances of you powering your block without the inverters shutting down for overload are pretty slim, but there are pretty strict codes related to systems like yours that dictate the type and how the equipment is installed, and most require a seprate disconnect on the outside of your home for the utility to use, like if they need to work on the local lines they WILL come flip off your power through that disconnect in case your transfer system malfunctions and keeps the lines live while they are working.

a lot of people do what you describe, and if you get caught with an unauthorized setup it will be quite a headache for you.
 

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