Can a Car Alternator Function as a Battery to Power a Motor?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the feasibility of using a car alternator as a power source for a motor, similar to how a battery functions. Participants explore the technical aspects of alternators, their output characteristics, and safety considerations related to electrical projects.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that an alternator can power a motor, as it produces AC power that is rectified to DC for use in vehicles.
  • Others explain that while alternators can provide power when the car is running, they emphasize that the power output depends on the load placed against it, factoring in losses such as air friction and internal hysteresis.
  • There are questions about the possibility of obtaining a positive and negative output from an alternator, with some participants clarifying that alternators output AC signals without a rectifier and provide DC with one positive and one negative terminal when rectified.
  • Concerns are raised regarding the safety of working with alternators and the importance of understanding basic electronics before undertaking projects involving them.
  • Some participants express confusion about grounding in relation to the alternator and battery, leading to further clarification that the ground is part of the car's electrical system.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that an alternator can provide power to a motor, but there are multiple competing views regarding the specifics of its operation, output characteristics, and safety considerations. The discussion remains unresolved on certain technical aspects and safety protocols.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the need for a foundational understanding of electronics, as well as the potential dangers of electrical work without proper knowledge. There are unresolved questions regarding the specifics of alternator outputs and grounding.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for individuals interested in automotive electrical systems, DIY electronics projects, or those seeking to understand the operational principles of alternators and their applications.

Atomic80
Hello, Is it possible for a car alternator to work like a battery and power a motor?
 
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Sure. The alternator produces AC power that is rectified to DC for use in an automobile. You can use either the DC or the AC to power a motor. This is a similar method to the one we used in the Air Force to convert 60 Hz Mains AC power to 400 Hz AC power for use in testing our cruise missiles. We had several large generators which used the Mains AC electricity to power a motor to turn a generator that produced the 400 Hz AC power. So electrical power is converted to mechanical power which is then converted back to another type of electrical power.
 
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Atomic80 said:
Hello, Is it possible for a car alternator to work like a battery and power a motor?
Not only is it possible, it is exactly what is happening when the car is running. Things like the power windows are powered by the alternator when the car is running and by the battery if the gas is turned off.
 
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Atomic80 said:
Hello, Is it possible for a car alternator to work like a battery and power a motor?
What you need to learn is, a generator or alternator, no matter what power rating, will only produce power equal to the load placed against it. There's a lot more to this but the main point is from production to use there has to be the accounting of air friction, bearing, and internal hysteresis losses.
Well you will get some better answers I'm sure. :smile:
 
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phinds said:
Not only is it possible, it is exactly what is happening when the car is running. Things like the power windows are powered by the alternator when the car is running and by the battery if the gas is turned off.
phinds said:
Not only is it possible, it is exactly what is happening when the car is running. Things like the power windows are powered by the alternator when the car is running and by the battery if the gas is turned off.
So if I wanted an alternator with positive and negative coming from it, is that possible?
 
Atomic80 said:
So if I wanted an alternator with positive and negative coming from it, is that possible?

Alternators without some sort of rectifier output an AC signal that alternates between positive and negative for each lead/terminal. With a rectifier, the output is DC, with one positive and one negative lead/terminal.

This is all extremely basic electronics information and if you're planning on doing a project with an alternator you need to learn these basics before starting. Not only so your project will be easier, but because failing to learn them is a safety hazard. Even relatively low voltages can still cause nerve damage, burns, and sometimes death.
 
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Atomic80 said:
So if I wanted an alternator with positive and negative coming from it, is that possible?
If you mean two different voltages levels, one positive and one negative (for example +12V and -5V) then no. If you mean just a positive terminal and a ground terminal the see Drakkith's answer.
 
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Drakkith said:
Alternators without some sort of rectifier output an AC signal that alternates between positive and negative for each lead/terminal. With a rectifier, the output is DC, with one positive and one negative lead/terminal. So where can I get this done?

This is all extremely basic electronics information and if you're planning on doing a project with an alternator you need to learn these basics before starting. Not only so your project will be easier, but because failing to learn them is a safety hazard. Even relatively low voltages can still cause nerve damage, burns, and sometimes death.
 
So how do I get the ground from the alternator?
 
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Atomic80 said:
So how do I get the ground from the alternator?
? An alternator has two output terminals. One is ground. I think, as Drakkith suggested, you had best study some basic electronics before you go any further at all.
 
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phinds said:
? An alternator has two output terminals. One is ground. I think, as Drakkith suggested, you had best study some basic electronics before you go any further at all.
 
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I thought that the ground came from the battery?
 
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Atomic80 said:
I thought that the ground came from the battery?
The ground goes throughout the car. Again, study some basics.
 
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Atomic80 said:
I thought that the ground came from the battery?

Atomic80, I highly recommend you find a someone locally with the required knowledge to help you with your project. Unfortunately, electrical work is very dangerous without a proper understanding of the basics and it would be extremely difficult to teach you in a setting such as PF. Per our policies regarding safety and dangerous activities, I cannot allow this thread to remain open.

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