Can a cat ever catch a mouse in a circular maze?

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The discussion revolves around the question of whether a cat can catch a mouse in a circular maze, given that both start at the same speed and the cat must catch the mouse in a finite amount of time. The conversation explores various strategies, mathematical reasoning, and the implications of movement within the constraints of a circular path.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the cat can catch the mouse by always moving towards its current location, gaining distance whenever the mouse turns.
  • Others argue that while the cat can get closer to the mouse, it may not be able to catch it due to the constraints of circular movement and the need to maintain rotational speed.
  • A participant proposes a strategy where the cat moves to the center of the circle and then follows the mouse along the radius, suggesting this method could lead to cornering the mouse.
  • Another participant presents a mathematical approach, discussing the relationship between the cat's and mouse's speeds and the angles they turn, concluding that the cat can catch the mouse in finite time if it directly chases it.
  • Some participants question the validity of the mathematical equations presented, pointing out potential flaws and the need for clearer definitions and derivations.
  • There are discussions about the implications of the cat's radius of rotation and how it affects the cat's ability to gain on the mouse.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether the cat can catch the mouse, with some asserting it can under certain strategies while others maintain that it may only be possible given infinite time. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in their mathematical reasoning, such as missing assumptions and the dependence on specific definitions. There are unresolved mathematical steps regarding the derivation of certain equations and the implications of the cat's movement strategy.

  • #31
Just read Bartholomew's post oh well. Chronon did somthing like this:
<br /> \int \frac{1}{{\sqrt{c - a\,x^2}}} \,dx = \frac{\arcsin ({\sqrt{\frac{a}{c}}}\,x)}{{\sqrt{\Mfunction{a}}}}<br />
substitute in c\ for \ V^2 \ and \ a \ for \ \frac{r^2\,V^2}{R^2}
so using substituting in we get
<br /> \int \frac{1}{{\sqrt{V^2 - \frac{r^2\,V^2}{R^2}}}}\,dr = \frac{\arcsin (r\,{\sqrt{R^{-2}}})}{{\sqrt{\frac{{\Mfunction{V}}^2}{R^2}}}} = \frac{R\,\arcsin (r\,{\sqrt{R^{-2}}})}{V} = t<br />
Therefore
<br /> r = R\,\sin (\frac{t\,V}{R})<br />
<br /> r = R \ When \ \sin (\frac{t\,V}{R})=1<br />
Therefore
<br /> \frac{t\,V}{R} = \frac{\pi }{2}<br />
<br /> t = \frac{\pi \,R}{2\,V}<br />
I did not include \pm for square root or multiple solutions but in the end they do not matter.

I still like my idea of replacing with a force and using conservation of energy to show the cat will catch the mouse. If anyone would like to see it let me know.
 
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  • #32
NateTG said:
What if the mouse moves back and forth left to right without hitting the side of the circle? If the cat matches by moving sideways, the mouse can keep going forever. If the cat does not move side to side, what does it do? The claiming that it can now close in further does not necessarily make it so.
That's why it should keep on a line (radius) that runs from center to mouse.
Draw lines back from side to side limits of mouse to center. Cat will ALWAYS overrun the line unless he picks a point closer to the mouse no matter how small there will always be a point that is closer until he cacthes. Thus cat does follow a curve but one that bends up towards the mouse, as the mouse is on a curve the bends down towards the cat.
 

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